Yeah, definitely this. Maybe 55.40 - 55.30 - 55.00 - 40.20 if you want to get stupidly specific. His splits in Silesia were approximately 55.8 - 55.8 - 55.3 - 40.2.
Yeah, definitely this. Maybe 55.40 - 55.30 - 55.00 - 40.20 if you want to get stupidly specific. His splits in Silesia were approximately 55.8 - 55.8 - 55.3 - 40.2.
If he can do 55.4, 55.2, 55.0, 39.9 it would be smart and it's doable for him
Yeah, definitely this. Maybe 55.40 - 55.30 - 55.00 - 40.20 if you want to get stupidly specific. His splits in Silesia were approximately 55.8 - 55.8 - 55.3 - 40.2.
If he can do 55.4, 55.2, 55.0, 39.9 it would be smart and it's doable for him
Yeah I’m sure 3:25.5 is doable for him if he were only smart enough to run those splits.
Yeah, definitely this. Maybe 55.40 - 55.30 - 55.00 - 40.20 if you want to get stupidly specific. His splits in Silesia were approximately 55.8 - 55.8 - 55.3 - 40.2.
I haven't seen the Silesia race yet, but I'm assuming he had wavelight pacing? This technical development has really been a game changer for middle and distance running when attempting records. It is a massive benefit to know that you are guaranteed economical pacing for 2 and 3/4 laps, and you can also get full drafting from the actual pacer at the front. Together with the super spikes since 2019 and the faster tracks, we are talking about WRs again, in events where the times have seemed unapproachable for 20 years.
As good as Ingebrigtsen is, he would be nowhere near threatening the WR without the wavelight pacing, ever faster tracks and carbon plated shoes. I don't like the fact EL G is still the record holder, as Im convinced he doped with EPO, but it feels a bit fake to talk about Jakob running 3:25.9. Take him back 20 years with the shoes and tracks used then, and make him rely on the pacer giving a decent pace, and I don't see him breaking 3:29. The number of sub 3:31 runners the past 2 seasons is ridiculous.
I analysed the average number of sub 3:31.0 performances going back to 2009.
For the 10 year period from 2009 to 2018, there was an average of 6.7 performances (mostly at Monaco) per year, below 3:31.0
For the last 5 seasons (and we are only half way through this season, and of course there were far fewer races in 2020-21, due to Covid), that annual average has more than doubled - to 14.2 performances below 3:31.0
If we look at the number of individuals who have broken 3:30.0, we find that approximately 3 (2.9) did so on average over that 10 year period. Again, almost all of them on the Monaco track.
If we look at the last 4 seasons (when the super shoes have been available to all), this average jumps up to 6. In 2023 alone, so far this year, 11 men have bettered 3:30!
I think it is clear that the times we see now are highly inflated due to technological advances over the last 4 or 5 years. Unfortunately, and it is the lesser of two evils, this is being allowed to happen due to the detrimental legacy of the EPO free for all from the mid 90's to mid 00's. Fans disappeared, either because they were fed up and didn't believe what they were seeing was real, or because they lost interest because no one was getting near world records anymore.
To answer the question, the wavelights need to be programmed so that Jakob hits the following splits:
Chalking everything up to drugs, shoes, lights, and tracks limits your potential (or those who share your beliefs). When world records are MARGINALLY improved or maybe just approached, but depth is better, is more of a sign of more talented athletes training smart. You know what else happened in the last 5 years? Everyone got online and tried to use all the information they had to get better. Drugs help, shoes help, lights help, and tracks help, but what helps even more is correct training.
Also, I agree with the 55-55-55-40, however, I could see a slow 2nd 400 and a faster 3rd also doing it.
Yeah, definitely this. Maybe 55.40 - 55.30 - 55.00 - 40.20 if you want to get stupidly specific. His splits in Silesia were approximately 55.8 - 55.8 - 55.3 - 40.2.
I haven't seen the Silesia race yet, but I'm assuming he had wavelight pacing? This technical development has really been a game changer for middle and distance running when attempting records. It is a massive benefit to know that you are guaranteed economical pacing for 2 and 3/4 laps, and you can also get full drafting from the actual pacer at the front. Together with the super spikes since 2019 and the faster tracks, we are talking about WRs again, in events where the times have seemed unapproachable for 20 years.
As good as Ingebrigtsen is, he would be nowhere near threatening the WR without the wavelight pacing, ever faster tracks and carbon plated shoes. I don't like the fact EL G is still the record holder, as Im convinced he doped with EPO, but it feels a bit fake to talk about Jakob running 3:25.9. Take him back 20 years with the shoes and tracks used then, and make him rely on the pacer giving a decent pace, and I don't see him breaking 3:29. The number of sub 3:31 runners the past 2 seasons is ridiculous.
I analysed the average number of sub 3:31.0 performances going back to 2009.
For the 10 year period from 2009 to 2018, there was an average of 6.7 performances (mostly at Monaco) per year, below 3:31.0
For the last 5 seasons (and we are only half way through this season, and of course there were far fewer races in 2020-21, due to Covid), that annual average has more than doubled - to 14.2 performances below 3:31.0
If we look at the number of individuals who have broken 3:30.0, we find that approximately 3 (2.9) did so on average over that 10 year period. Again, almost all of them on the Monaco track.
If we look at the last 4 seasons (when the super shoes have been available to all), this average jumps up to 6. In 2023 alone, so far this year, 11 men have bettered 3:30!
I think it is clear that the times we see now are highly inflated due to technological advances over the last 4 or 5 years. Unfortunately, and it is the lesser of two evils, this is being allowed to happen due to the detrimental legacy of the EPO free for all from the mid 90's to mid 00's. Fans disappeared, either because they were fed up and didn't believe what they were seeing was real, or because they lost interest because no one was getting near world records anymore.
To answer the question, the wavelights need to be programmed so that Jakob hits the following splits:
55.5, 55.2, 55.2, 40.0
Can you at least update this lame schtick to be complaining about the new foam, not the carbon fiber which has been in spikes for like 15 years at this point.
He will never break the WR without Gjert as a coach. Keep in mind this. I can't see Henrik having the same competence of Gjert.
Agreeed. I don’t think it’s the technical competence that is lackibg but rather the distance and authority to make the decisions that minimizes injury risk.
Yeah, definitely this. Maybe 55.40 - 55.30 - 55.00 - 40.20 if you want to get stupidly specific. His splits in Silesia were approximately 55.8 - 55.8 - 55.3 - 40.2.
As good as Ingebrigtsen is, he would be nowhere near threatening the WR without the wavelight pacing, ever faster tracks and carbon plated shoes. I don't like the fact EL G is still the record holder, as Im convinced he doped with EPO, but it feels a bit fake to talk about Jakob running 3:25.9. Take him back 20 years with the shoes and tracks used then, and make him rely on the pacer giving a decent pace, and I don't see him breaking 3:29.
Can he use EPO like they were doing then? If so, he is definitely breaking 3:29. He ran 3:31 at 17 before superspikes and wavelights ffs. What a bad take. If you'd actually watched the SIlesia race, you'd see that the pacers were a bit to far in front for it to be optimal. It was good pacing but not optimal. I think he could've run 3:26 high with optimal pacing that day.
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