U. Arizona, ASU, UC Berkeley, Oregon State, Stanford, U. Utah, and WSU is what's left of the Pac-12
OSU, WSU, U.Utah --> Mountain West Conference?
U. Arizona, ASU --> Big 12?
Stanford, UC Berkeley --> Big 10 probably
Nobody wants CAL...
And Stanford 😭
Just give George Kliavkoff his golden parachute so he can go ruin something else and wrap this up Pac-12. It's over
UW guy here. Linking arms with the Ducks has been something... We're the Batman to their Joker, or the Joker to their Batman.
From the article:
"The Big Ten does not want to be the one to cause the death of the Pac-12 Conference."
And so they take UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington from the Pac-12. I think you can safely say that the Big 10 has caused the "death of the Pac-12 Conference."
Hello Pot, I\'m Kettle. You\'re black. wrote:
From the article:
"The Big Ten does not want to be the one to cause the death of the Pac-12 Conference."
And so they take UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington from the Pac-12. I think you can safely say that the Big 10 has caused the "death of the Pac-12 Conference."
It’s not on them. It’s on USC/UCLA/UC Regents.
GermanFernandezDaGOAT wrote:
Poor west coasters, they'll be subjected to midwesterners calling them oregON and Warshington.
Part of college conferences should be their location. Moving from the West Coast to Midwest/East seems unnecessary.
Nobody is to blame but the horrendous management of the Pac-12 board of directors and Larry Scott himself. They had ample opportunity to respond to the UC schools departure by adding SDSU or SMU but failed to take timely action. As a result, the small P-12 schools will pay a huge price and the conference will completely dissolve. Sad day for College sports.
Hello Pot, I\'m Kettle. You\'re black. wrote:
From the article:
"The Big Ten does not want to be the one to cause the death of the Pac-12 Conference."
And so they take UCLA, USC, Oregon, and Washington from the Pac-12. I think you can safely say that the Big 10 has caused the "death of the Pac-12 Conference."
Just wait til Stanford and Cal join. Then they can make 3 divisions (pac 8, Midwest. And the rest)....
And of course the next step is after all the decent teams are in 2 conferences is for the top dozen teams to bail and form their own conference. If you are a mich or Ohio state. Why do you want to give millions to northwestern, Indiana, and the rest that closer to midmajors than elite programs?
Metallic Mottram wrote:
Nobody is to blame but the horrendous management of the Pac-12 board of directors and Larry Scott himself. They had ample opportunity to respond to the UC schools departure by adding SDSU or SMU but failed to take timely action. As a result, the small P-12 schools will pay a huge price and the conference will completely dissolve. Sad day for College sports.
How much blame does George Kliavkoff get? I realized Larry Scott did everything to send the PAC12 into the ground but the Big 12 was imploding and Kliavkoff couldn't save the PAC12.
A sad way for "The Conference of Champions" to expire. Even with a reduced cut of money, UO and UW each stand to make $10 million more than under the PAC-12's proposed streaming deal with Apple. Larry Scott and George Kliavkoff blew this!
I also hope that Ducks and Huskies fans also understand that this means a lot of 6-6 and 7-5 seasons. Unless they are able to recruit bigger and more physical players, they will always be at a disadvantage against truly elite programs like Ohio State or Michigan. PAC-12 style football doesn't typically win against B1G ball. Expect to lose more often or continually get trounced in the B1G Championship game year in, year out.
Metallic Mottram wrote:
As a result, the small P-12 schools will pay a huge price and the conference will completely dissolve. Sad day for College sports.
They don't pay a high price. They are in this situation because they fail to compete. Oregon St and Washington St are just being relegated to a level of competition more at their level (most likely MTN West or a new Pacific Conference sans any major teams).
I would not be surprised if programs like Boston College, Louisville, Vanderbilt, Purdue, Rutgers, Baylor, Texas Tech (among others) will find themselves in similar situations when Alabama, Tennessee, Miami, Florida St, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State and Michigan decide the aforementioned schools haven't earned the revenue they get from the conference.
They're all leaving. All of them. Arizona, Arizona State and Utah to follow quickly. Then the rest soon after. The Pac 12 executives are being told to clear out their desks of personal items, and the office will shut the lights out within a week, forever
West Coast Offense wrote:
A sad way for "The Conference of Champions" to expire. Even with a reduced cut of money, UO and UW each stand to make $10 million more than under the PAC-12's proposed streaming deal with Apple. Larry Scott and George Kliavkoff blew this!
I also hope that Ducks and Huskies fans also understand that this means a lot of 6-6 and 7-5 seasons. Unless they are able to recruit bigger and more physical players, they will always be at a disadvantage against truly elite programs like Ohio State or Michigan. PAC-12 style football doesn't typically win against B1G ball. Expect to lose more often or continually get trounced in the B1G Championship game year in, year out.
I'd be really curious how many fans are actually excited for this. As a UW fan, I hate it, even if it means more money.
george cloooney wrote:
They're all leaving. All of them. Arizona, Arizona State and Utah to follow quickly. Then the rest soon after. The Pac 12 executives are being told to clear out their desks of personal items, and the office will shut the lights out within a week, forever
To Big12?
I don't think that many fans are happy. I feel like Oregon and Washington were forced to make a move due to financial and competitive implications. The PAC-12 was on its way to becoming a mid-major with no hope of ever getting a team into the playoff picture. With super conferences, there will be no more Cincinnati or South Florida type stories in the future. What committee members are going to chose a 13-0 champion from a depleted PAC-12 over a one loss SEC or B1G team, especially if that loss came in the conference championship?
West Coast Offense wrote:
I don't think that many fans are happy. I feel like Oregon and Washington were forced to make a move due to financial and competitive implications. The PAC-12 was on its way to becoming a mid-major with no hope of ever getting a team into the playoff picture. With super conferences, there will be no more Cincinnati or South Florida type stories in the future. What committee members are going to chose a 13-0 champion from a depleted PAC-12 over a one loss SEC or B1G team, especially if that loss came in the conference championship?
Once the networks, streaming companies & conference heads get together (probably as soon as the current TV deals are done), I can see super conferences forming, with promotion and relegation. You get rid of the Northwesterns, Vanderbilts, Rutgers, Wake Forests, etc., and you can get the schools in the Group of 5 to play their way into the super conference.
Now how this affects track and cross country is best for a separate thread.