We got a medalist out of those conditions. Let's get another.
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Lol what? Why would I be talking about 2004? What are you rambling about? We get mad at people for being on adderall now?
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Lol what? Why would I be talking about 2004? What are you rambling about? We get mad at people for being on adderall now?
Adderall is such a cheat code lmao. I was so lean on it with no effort at all. Not to mention how tenacious it makes you. Adhd or not.
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What's the one olympic marathon champ you remember? Wanjiru, wire-to-wire, on record pace in China in summer.
Florida ain't be that hot in February.
Also almost time to book that winter house down south. Get used to those conditions because everybody has to run them.135 -
CalicoCat wrote:
it is time wrote:
Lol what? Why would I be talking about 2004? What are you rambling about? We get mad at people for being on adderall now?
Adderall is such a cheat code lmao. I was so lean on it with no effort at all. Not to mention how tenacious it makes you. Adhd or not.
Ok, adderall police
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Adderall is amphetamine, it is a super dooper PED and banned in most sports but once everyone figured out all you needed was a TUE, magically everyone got one. It's not allowed in actual competition but you can be sure no-one is following that rule because they've given themselves permission to dope and have a "get out of jail free card" plan if they are caught, pleading ADHD
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn league?
One key, CRITICAL feature of Adderall is it overrides overheating limits, it literally turns off the danger signal in the brain. Sound familiar to athletes doing well in the heat over others?
Just like when they figured out asthma medication was a PED, magically every athlete showing up at the olympics suddenly had asthma.
"After a steep rise in the number of athletes taking β2 agonists for asthma in the 1990s, Olympic athletes were required to provide proof that they had asthma in order to be allowed to use inhaled β2 agonists.""Amphetamine is used by some athletes for its psychological and athletic performance-enhancing effects, such as increased endurance and alertness; however, non-medical amphetamine use is prohibited at sporting events that are regulated by collegiate, national, and international anti-doping agencies.In healthy people at oral therapeutic doses, amphetamine has been shown to increase muscle strength, acceleration, athletic performance in anaerobic conditions, and endurance (i.e., it delays the onset of fatigue), while improving reaction time. Amphetamine improves endurance and reaction time primarily through reuptake inhibition and release of dopamine in the central nervous system.Amphetamine and other dopaminergic drugs also increase power output at fixed levels of perceived exertion by overriding a "safety switch", allowing the core temperature limit to increase in order to access a reserve capacity that is normally off-limits"465 -
what the what now wrote:
Adderall is amphetamine, it is a super dooper PED and banned in most sports but once everyone figured out all you needed was a TUE, magically everyone got one. It's not allowed in actual competition but you can be sure no-one is following that rule because they've given themselves permission to dope and have a "get out of jail free card" plan if they are caught, pleading ADHD
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn league?
One key, CRITICAL feature of Adderall is it overrides overheating limits, it literally turns off the danger signal in the brain. Sound familiar to athletes doing well in the heat over others?
Just like when they figured out asthma medication was a PED, magically every athlete showing up at the olympics suddenly had asthma.
"After a steep rise in the number of athletes taking β2 agonists for asthma in the 1990s, Olympic athletes were required to provide proof that they had asthma in order to be allowed to use inhaled β2 agonists.""Amphetamine is used by some athletes for its psychological and athletic performance-enhancing effects, such as increased endurance and alertness; however, non-medical amphetamine use is prohibited at sporting events that are regulated by collegiate, national, and international anti-doping agencies.In healthy people at oral therapeutic doses, amphetamine has been shown to increase muscle strength, acceleration, athletic performance in anaerobic conditions, and endurance (i.e., it delays the onset of fatigue), while improving reaction time. Amphetamine improves endurance and reaction time primarily through reuptake inhibition and release of dopamine in the central nervous system.Amphetamine and other dopaminergic drugs also increase power output at fixed levels of perceived exertion by overriding a "safety switch", allowing the core temperature limit to increase in order to access a reserve capacity that is normally off-limits"Hmmm…your post maybe adds some understanding with regard to the Carl Lewis ‘drug thing’ prior to the ‘84 Olympics.
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ahhhbnjj wrote:
Hmmm…your post maybe adds some understanding with regard to the Carl Lewis ‘drug thing’ prior to the ‘84 Olympics.
Edit: the *‘88 Olympics.
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what the what now wrote:
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn leagueNope! Neither MLB or the NFL are signatories to WADA.
Prove me wrong. Give us a citation, or admit that you made this up.
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Is this thread in response to something Sara Hall said? If so, what?
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Not in the know wrote:
Is this thread in response to something Sara Hall said? If so, what?
Yeah, this got side-tracked pretty fast. What is the OP talking about?
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what the what now wrote:
Adderall is amphetamine, it is a super dooper PED and banned in most sports but once everyone figured out all you needed was a TUE, magically everyone got one. It's not allowed in actual competition but you can be sure no-one is following that rule because they've given themselves permission to dope and have a "get out of jail free card" plan if they are caught, pleading ADHD
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn league?
One key, CRITICAL feature of Adderall is it overrides overheating limits, it literally turns off the danger signal in the brain. Sound familiar to athletes doing well in the heat over others?
Just like when they figured out asthma medication was a PED, magically every athlete showing up at the olympics suddenly had asthma.
"After a steep rise in the number of athletes taking β2 agonists for asthma in the 1990s, Olympic athletes were required to provide proof that they had asthma in order to be allowed to use inhaled β2 agonists.""Amphetamine is used by some athletes for its psychological and athletic performance-enhancing effects, such as increased endurance and alertness; however, non-medical amphetamine use is prohibited at sporting events that are regulated by collegiate, national, and international anti-doping agencies.In healthy people at oral therapeutic doses, amphetamine has been shown to increase muscle strength, acceleration, athletic performance in anaerobic conditions, and endurance (i.e., it delays the onset of fatigue), while improving reaction time. Amphetamine improves endurance and reaction time primarily through reuptake inhibition and release of dopamine in the central nervous system.Amphetamine and other dopaminergic drugs also increase power output at fixed levels of perceived exertion by overriding a "safety switch", allowing the core temperature limit to increase in order to access a reserve capacity that is normally off-limits"Enough about this nonsense. Start a new thread. Man some of your are so neurodivergent with some of these comments.
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Beevie Beet wrote:
Not in the know wrote:
Is this thread in response to something Sara Hall said? If so, what?
Yeah, this got side-tracked pretty fast. What is the OP talking about?
Three days after tweeting "champions find a way," Sara Hall tweets this:
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Truth or Consequences wrote:
what the what now wrote:
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn leagueNope! Neither MLB or the NFL are signatories to WADA.
Prove me wrong. Give us a citation, or admit that you made this up.
PS The highest numbers I remember seeing for TUES for stimulants in MLB were a little over 100, so about 1 in 10 players.
I'm not saying stimulant aren't a problem. I'm saying it does not help when you make up facts. When you play fast and loose with facts, it makes it hard to believe anything you say.
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it is time wrote:
Beevie Beet wrote:
Yeah, this got side-tracked pretty fast. What is the OP talking about?
Three days after tweeting "champions find a way," Sara Hall tweets this:
Sara is a bit off the rails here. While it is possible it could be 90 degrees in Orlando in February, it is highly unlikely. From a runners perspective, it sucks having to start so late in potentially warm conditions, but her crying the sky is falling is a bit much. It will likely be a warm race but realistically upper 60s to low 70s at worst during the race. I think an earlier start would be better, but TV has a big play into why it's such a late start. And USATF stated if the temperature is forecast to be dangerously warm that day (highs in upper 80s/low 90s, the start time will be adjusted. She needs to relax.
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Geez, this is 2000 Pittsburgh trials all over again. Pathetic.
Sara is old enough to remember those trials. Confusion on qualifiations, only sending one athlete unless they run fast enough for the others to join him. Dehaven running hard on a hot day on a hilly course. So ugly. The nadir of American marathoning.
And here we are doing it AGAIN.
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Truth or Consequences wrote:
what the what now wrote:
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn leagueNope! Neither MLB or the NFL are signatories to WADA.
Prove me wrong. Give us a citation, or admit that you made this up.
I may have mangled my thinking that only WADA issues TUE but of course you might be right in that other regulatory agencies may be involved for MLB and NFL
Note the date on this article, 2012, imagine what it is now as this has been going on for a decade now, all the pros are "in on it" to just get the equal of a "medical card"
Adderall has been banned by virtually every sports organization, from
the NCAA to MLB to the NFL. But the NFL, like other sports, allows
players who have a medical need for the drug to use it without penalty,
after they have applied for and been granted a Therapeutic Use
Exemption.
The NFL doesn’t disclose the number of therapeutic exemptions issued,
but MLB in 2011 granted 105. Such numbers were an eye-opener to Wadler.31 -
Truth or Consequences wrote:
what the what now wrote:
WADA publishes TUE counts sometimes. Hundreds of players in NFL and MLB are on it. You think all those people have ADHD? The whole damn leagueNope! Neither MLB or the NFL are signatories to WADA.
Prove me wrong. Give us a citation, or admit that you made this up.
We agree. Those leagues are not subject to WADA rules..... or any of the many requirements IOC says organizations such as WA must adhere to. Accordingly, all kinds of things that would be considered 'doping' in Olympic sports can unapologetically happen in those. You seem to be trying to confirm what the other poster suggests. You even post again claiming the drugs in question ARE, in fact popular in certain sports. Your disagreement with the poster who set you off is nonexistent. Football players juice. You, the other poster, and all of us agree.
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it is time wrote:
We got a medalist out of those conditions. Let's get another.
Who's "we" sucka?
Youre not even in the game.. Your opinion counts for squat. Go away.
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