Has any American other than Lagat had a higher ranking? I know these rankings are flawed (Katir doesn’t have enough performances to be ranked) but Nuguse has put together quite a streak of races in the past year.
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Shiftypete wrote:
Has any American other than Lagat had a higher ranking? I know these rankings are flawed (Katir doesn’t have enough performances to be ranked) but Nuguse has put together quite a streak of races in the past year.
Probably not for men (Jim Ryun might've been number one for awhile if the rankings existed back in the late 60s). It's possible Jenny Simpson could have been #1 or #2 had the rankings been around at the end of 2014. Her ranking eligible results would have included a win in the 2014 Diamond league final and a runner-up finish at the 2013 WC.
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Even if Katir had another good race for a ranking I think Nuguse would be higher. Remember Nuguse beat Katir indoors by more than Katir beat Nuguse outdoors. And Nuguse also has his 3:47 mile from this indoor season. I do think Nuguse doesn't have as crazy of a kick as some of these other guys though. He is a great time trial runner, he showed that in college as well with his 3:34? 1500 NCAA record at the ACC prelims but couldn't win the championship races later in the season. I hope I'm wrong, but if it's halfway tactical in Budapest I think he misses a medal. Only if it's a 3:30.XX or faster race will he get a medal.
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Checking more results from the circuit that year, crazy reminder that Hassan was already winning Diamond league meets back in 2014! Most of these other names have long been retired or moved to on roads (SAFP being an obvious exception)
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a few weeks ago Katir was third, how come he is no longer ranked?
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moreconfused wrote:
a few weeks ago Katir was third, how come he is no longer ranked?
Guessing you need a certain amount of races over the past 12 months. World's 1,500 was July 19th last year, so that probably is no longer being included in his ranking.
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A good run wrote:
Even if Katir had another good race for a ranking I think Nuguse would be higher. Remember Nuguse beat Katir indoors by more than Katir beat Nuguse outdoors. And Nuguse also has his 3:47 mile from this indoor season. I do think Nuguse doesn't have as crazy of a kick as some of these other guys though. He is a great time trial runner, he showed that in college as well with his 3:34? 1500 NCAA record at the ACC prelims but couldn't win the championship races later in the season. I hope I'm wrong, but if it's halfway tactical in Budapest I think he misses a medal. Only if it's a 3:30.XX or faster race will he get a medal.
He's not jsut a time trialer. He didn't win the championship races later in 2021, but he ran as well as -- in fact, probably better than - expected. He lost a tough stretch duel to Cole Hocker at NCAAs, then finished 3rd in the USATF champs to make the Olympic team, showing a good kick both times.
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Rankings are like seed times and should be treated as such. With that said, I do believe nuguse is capable of medaling at worlds
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Morgan Uceny was the top-ranked 1500m runner in the world for a significant portion of 2011 and even ended the season in that position. Too bad Obiri tripped her up at Worlds.
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What about Webb in 2007? Where was he ranked?
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Sheesh, I was way off. From track and field news:
2007
1.......................Daniel Komen II (Kenya)
2............................... Bernard Lagat (US)
3..................... Tarek Boukensa (Algeria)
4............................Mehdi Baala (France)
5........................Rashid Ramzi (Bahrain)
6..................................... Alan Webb (US)
7........................ Shadrack Korir (Kenya)
8.................... Augustine Choge (Kenya)
9............................Asbel Kiprop (Kenya)
10................ Suleiman Simotwo (Kenya)230 -
Shiftypete wrote:
Has any American other than Lagat had a higher ranking? I know these rankings are flawed (Katir doesn’t have enough performances to be ranked) but Nuguse has put together quite a streak of races in the past year.
I think John Paul Jones back in 1911 had a higher rating.
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martinjc57 wrote:
A good run wrote:
Even if Katir had another good race for a ranking I think Nuguse would be higher. Remember Nuguse beat Katir indoors by more than Katir beat Nuguse outdoors. And Nuguse also has his 3:47 mile from this indoor season. I do think Nuguse doesn't have as crazy of a kick as some of these other guys though. He is a great time trial runner, he showed that in college as well with his 3:34? 1500 NCAA record at the ACC prelims but couldn't win the championship races later in the season. I hope I'm wrong, but if it's halfway tactical in Budapest I think he misses a medal. Only if it's a 3:30.XX or faster race will he get a medal.
He's not jsut a time trialer. He didn't win the championship races later in 2021, but he ran as well as -- in fact, probably better than - expected. He lost a tough stretch duel to Cole Hocker at NCAAs, then finished 3rd in the USATF champs to make the Olympic team, showing a good kick both times.
Just a couple of years ago Cole Hocker and Cooper Teare were considered America's future in the 1500 and now Nguse comes out of nowhere.
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Track and Field news world rankings. Ryun and Liquori were #1 in the past. Steve Scott #2
https://trackandfieldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/05-1500Rank.pdf
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Monson #2 in the 5000??
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Olympic Gold 1500 is #1 2016 Centro
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GBohannon wrote:
Morgan Uceny was the top-ranked 1500m runner in the world for a significant portion of 2011 and even ended the season in that position. Too bad Obiri tripped her up at Worlds.
I don't believe it. She tripped 3 times in important races.
Here is her third fall in a final in 2014120 -
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martinjc57 wrote:
He's not jsut a time trialer. He didn't win the championship races later in 2021, but he ran as well as -- in fact, probably better than - expected. He lost a tough stretch duel to Cole Hocker at NCAAs, then finished 3rd in the USATF champs to make the Olympic team, showing a good kick both times.
Just a couple of years ago Cole Hocker and Cooper Teare were considered America's future in the 1500 and now Nguse comes out of nowhere.
No, he doesn’t. He won the NCAA 1500 in 2019 before Hocker and Teare were ever hyped as the future. In 2021 he soloed an NCAA 1500 record, finished second to Hocker at NCAAs with closing splits of 1:49.28/52.67 in a 3:35 race, and qualified for the Olympic team. In his last couple years of college there were at least two times when he got injured and then ran 3:34s on like 8 weeks of training. Now he’s in his first full year as a professional athlete.
Don’t talk out of your ass.
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ah, you're right. On last weeks rankings where he was fifth, he had 5 results and one of them was the final in Eugene. Makes sense cause guys like Eric Holt are still on the list with results from August of 2022; guess you need to have 5 races to count. Kinda strange that you only need three for the 5k cause rn he is listed at #2. Not that it really matters Katir was never going to rely on world rankings to get in. Just a little strange seeing guys like him vanish from the list
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