Oregon men gaining momentum? Or is Jerry going through the motions?

rojo wrote:

morning perc wrote:

Had one of the highest profile athletes in the sport in recent years test positive for a banned substance, only to be handed the reigns by Nike and UO to one of the most storied programs in the country. What a world we live in.

Following the ban, this guy acted as if WADA's rules didn't apply to him and his team by continuing to have said athlete train with the team. He has his remaining professional athletes race only a couple times per season when they aren't horribly injured. This guy is absolutely terrible for the sport. Who cares about his poor performance at UO. It's all a ruse by Nike to get eyeballs away from the 2020-21 situation and his banned athlete.

Worse than Alberto, by far. The faster this guy leaves the sport, the better.

To be honest, your post DISGUSTS me as a human.

"Worse than Alberto by far?"

Look I VERY MUCH don't like the way Jerry and Shalane handled the press conference where they said Shelby ate a pork burrito (They should have just said that was there best guess) but your post is insane. I think him showing loyalty to Shelby, who he thinks is clean, is admirable from a human standpoint. He's not cutting bait and viewing his runners as piece of trash - like Salazar did with Cain - when they are no longer producing for him.

Guys been coaching for 30 years, has one athlete banned and you act like he's East Germany 2.0.

Unless, he's covering up some elaborate doping ring, which is la aughable idea to me as he was so uncomfortable with Salazar he but bait with him and didn't let his guys go to Dr. Brown any more, he gains zero in public opinion polls by standing by her. All it gets him is jerks like yourself angry. But he does it because he believe she's clean and worked her a** off a breakthrough (now he may be wrong about that).

Additionally, do you really honestly think this is an elaborate ploy by Nike to get people to forget that Shelby - one of the "highest profile athletes in the sport" - tested positive? Seriously? Do you honestly believe that? That's laughable.

Shelby had never won a single damn medal at the global stage.

Nike's had some super high profile athletes test positive - Kiprop, Sumgong, Jeptoo, Manangoi, Alptekin, etc. - but Shelby isn't one of them.

rojo wrote:

From my weekly recap:

Speaking of youngsters, US high school star Simeon Birnbaum had a busy week. Most people reading this column likely know he impressed by leading much of his 1500 prelim at USAs before ultimately finishing 6th and not advancing on Thursday night. What many likely don’t know is he came back and ran the 800 in the U20 meet the next two days. He won his prelim in 1:50.54 on Friday before finishing second in the final in 1:47.96 on Saturday — a huge improvement over his 1:50.37 pb.

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Schumacher likely knew Oregon was going to be down this year and that it often takes a while for people to adjust to his training, so he focused on the long term and got ready for 2023-24. He’ll start the fall with the following guys as freshman eligibility-wise: Simeon Birnbaum (3:37 pb, 8:34 2-mile), Rheinhardt Harrison (3:38 pb), Connor Burns (3:58/13:37), and Balazs (8:49.64 steeple).

Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2023/07/wtw-a-wet...

rojo wrote:

morning perc wrote:

Had one of the highest profile athletes in the sport in recent years test positive for a banned substance, only to be handed the reigns by Nike and UO to one of the most storied programs in the country. What a world we live in.

Following the ban, this guy acted as if WADA's rules didn't apply to him and his team by continuing to have said athlete train with the team. He has his remaining professional athletes race only a couple times per season when they aren't horribly injured. This guy is absolutely terrible for the sport. Who cares about his poor performance at UO. It's all a ruse by Nike to get eyeballs away from the 2020-21 situation and his banned athlete.

Worse than Alberto, by far. The faster this guy leaves the sport, the better.

To be honest, your post DISGUSTS me as a human.

"Worse than Alberto by far?"

Look I VERY MUCH don't like the way Jerry and Shalane handled the press conference where they said Shelby ate a pork burrito (They should have just said that was there best guess) but your post is insane. I think him showing loyalty to Shelby, who he thinks is clean, is admirable from a human standpoint. He's not cutting bait and viewing his runners as piece of trash - like Salazar did with Cain - when they are no longer producing for him.

Guys been coaching for 30 years, has one athlete banned and you act like he's East Germany 2.0.

Unless, he's covering up some elaborate doping ring, which is la aughable idea to me as he was so uncomfortable with Salazar he but bait with him and didn't let his guys go to Dr. Brown any more, he gains zero in public opinion polls by standing by her. All it gets him is jerks like yourself angry. But he does it because he believe she's clean and worked her a** off a breakthrough (now he may be wrong about that).

Additionally, do you really honestly think this is an elaborate ploy by Nike to get people to forget that Shelby - one of the "highest profile athletes in the sport" - tested positive? Seriously? Do you honestly believe that? That's laughable.

Shelby had never won a single damn medal at the global stage.

Nike's had some super high profile athletes test positive - Kiprop, Sumgong, Jeptoo, Manangoi, Alptekin, etc. - but Shelby isn't one of them.

G Wagon wrote:

rojo wrote:

To be honest, your post DISGUSTS me as a human.

"Worse than Alberto by far?"

Look I VERY MUCH don't like the way Jerry and Shalane handled the press conference where they said Shelby ate a pork burrito (They should have just said that was there best guess) but your post is insane. I think him showing loyalty to Shelby, who he thinks is clean, is admirable from a human standpoint. He's not cutting bait and viewing his runners as piece of trash - like Salazar did with Cain - when they are no longer producing for him.

Guys been coaching for 30 years, has one athlete banned and you act like he's East Germany 2.0.

Unless, he's covering up some elaborate doping ring, which is la aughable idea to me as he was so uncomfortable with Salazar he but bait with him and didn't let his guys go to Dr. Brown any more, he gains zero in public opinion polls by standing by her. All it gets him is jerks like yourself angry. But he does it because he believe she's clean and worked her a** off a breakthrough (now he may be wrong about that).

Additionally, do you really honestly think this is an elaborate ploy by Nike to get people to forget that Shelby - one of the "highest profile athletes in the sport" - tested positive? Seriously? Do you honestly believe that? That's laughable.

Shelby had never won a single damn medal at the global stage.

Nike's had some super high profile athletes test positive - Kiprop, Sumgong, Jeptoo, Manangoi, Alptekin, etc. - but Shelby isn't one of them.

Rojo, Jerry knew that Shalane and Amy were wearing illegal shoes at the Marathon OT. They were never punished for this, the story just disappeared. Jerry does cheat. Jerry never heard of nandrolone? Come on! Jerry kept Shelby on the team and active at team practices for several months.

rojo wrote:

From my weekly recap:

Speaking of youngsters, US high school star Simeon Birnbaum had a busy week. Most people reading this column likely know he impressed by leading much of his 1500 prelim at USAs before ultimately finishing 6th and not advancing on Thursday night. What many likely don’t know is he came back and ran the 800 in the U20 meet the next two days. He won his prelim in 1:50.54 on Friday before finishing second in the final in 1:47.96 on Saturday — a huge improvement over his 1:50.37 pb.

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Birnbaum wasn’t the only future Oregon Duck to do well as US U20s this week. Many people behind the scenes have been pointing out to me that the Oregon men weren’t very good this year. And the US meet wasn’t a good one for the Bowerman Track Club, headed by Oregon coach Jerry Schumacher. A buddy recently texted me something along the lines of, “Jerry’s going through the motions. Does he even care anymore?”

I’m not privy to any inside knowledge but I laughed at that assertion. If Schumacher wasn’t motivated, there is no reason why he’d take on the extra headache of being a college coach when he had a very cushy gig as the BTC coach. Other than Phil Knight mandating it, I can’t think of a reason.

Moreover, did you see who won the US U20 1500 and U20 steeplechase crowns? It was two freshmen from Oregon who redshirted the entire year in Rheinhardt Harrison and Benjamin Balazs.

Schumacher likely knew Oregon was going to be down this year and that it often takes a while for people to adjust to his training, so he focused on the long term and got ready for 2023-24. He’ll start the fall with the following guys as freshman eligibility-wise: Simeon Birnbaum (3:37 pb, 8:34 2-mile), Rheinhardt Harrison (3:38 pb), Connor Burns (3:58/13:37), and Balazs (8:49.64 steeple).

Link:www.letsrun.com/news/2023/07/wtw-a-wet...

rojo wrote:

morning perc wrote:

Had one of the highest profile athletes in the sport in recent years test positive for a banned substance, only to be handed the reigns by Nike and UO to one of the most storied programs in the country. What a world we live in.

Following the ban, this guy acted as if WADA's rules didn't apply to him and his team by continuing to have said athlete train with the team. He has his remaining professional athletes race only a couple times per season when they aren't horribly injured. This guy is absolutely terrible for the sport. Who cares about his poor performance at UO. It's all a ruse by Nike to get eyeballs away from the 2020-21 situation and his banned athlete.

Worse than Alberto, by far. The faster this guy leaves the sport, the better.

To be honest, your post DISGUSTS me as a human.

"Worse than Alberto by far?"

Look I VERY MUCH don't like the way Jerry and Shalane handled the press conference where they said Shelby ate a pork burrito (They should have just said that was there best guess) but your post is insane. I think him showing loyalty to Shelby, who he thinks is clean, is admirable from a human standpoint. He's not cutting bait and viewing his runners as piece of trash - like Salazar did with Cain - when they are no longer producing for him.

Guys been coaching for 30 years, has one athlete banned and you act like he's East Germany 2.0.

Unless, he's covering up some elaborate doping ring, which is la aughable idea to me as he was so uncomfortable with Salazar he but bait with him and didn't let his guys go to Dr. Brown any more, he gains zero in public opinion polls by standing by her. All it gets him is jerks like yourself angry. But he does it because he believe she's clean and worked her a** off a breakthrough (now he may be wrong about that).

Additionally, do you really honestly think this is an elaborate ploy by Nike to get people to forget that Shelby - one of the "highest profile athletes in the sport" - tested positive? Seriously? Do you honestly believe that? That's laughable.

Shelby had never won a single damn medal at the global stage.

Nike's had some super high profile athletes test positive - Kiprop, Sumgong, Jeptoo, Manangoi, Alptekin, etc. - but Shelby isn't one of them.