Warhalm vs Jakub 800m who you got

Karsten Warthog would easily start out faster than 1:52. 400h is the event most suited to switch to 800m.

To them it is jog 600m and then hold form for another 200m without even any hurdles. Easy.

It would be a joke right? Warholm should be able to run 1:43 or so? No idea if you’re serious.

Warholm ain't running 1:46 800 on his debut. Good 400m speed doesn't indicate good 800m time. Endurance is necessary.

According to his World Athletics profile, he ran a 1K in 2013 at 2:45 and 1500 in 4:44. While he has done distances above 800, you are not turning that into 1:46 just because you hit a Sub-46 400mH. He has been plainly a 400/400mH guy since 2015. He's much more likely to run a 200m than 800m. Not to mention his heavier build compared to most 800m Runners.

I pretty much agree but give Warholm the win at 600 by 1 second.

I didn't say he'd run 1:43 right off the bat, and neither did Juantorena. I said no way would he have any problem beating 1:52.

Try to be cool. I know it's a geek sport, but try.

the 400 runner will almost always beat the distance guy in a 600. I think karsten wins that more lopsided than Jakob's win in the 800

As the OP mentioned, the 800 wasn't his guess. Warholm was asked the question today by David McCarthy of Citius Magazine. McCarthy proposed 600 but Warholm took it up to 800.

My immediate thought was...he's nuts. Jakob would chew him up long before 800.

But it's typical and proper for an athlete of that caliber to own overboard confidence in himself.

Warholm praised Jakob's tactics several times.

He also said that if the protesters had been in his lane he would have run straight through them.

In Warholm's early decathlon days, his 1500 times were just not fast, however all of his sprints were very good. Think Jakob wins comfortably.

In general I agree with you and the logic that gets applied to guys moving up distances - especially across races that use different energy systems, is just painful.

Mentioned this the other day but I've been reading this messageboard long enough to remember the "Jeremy Wariner should easily be able to jog a 49 and then run a 53 at worst" conversations.

I slightly disagree with you on the head to head takes. Over 500m it's a no-contest because Warholm can break 60 seconds and Jakob gets nowhere near that. Over 600m I still take the 45.9 fo-hurdles guy. The 600 is really the flat-race sweet-spot for the hurdlers. I think Warholm can run easily under 1.18 (because for example Joey Woody who was a 48.00 4-hurdler ran 1.18.9 indoors for 600m) and most probably well under 77 seconds which I don't think Jakob can. Over 800m unless Warholm can break 1.46.00 then it's as much a mismatch as the under-distances are for KW.

Where might they have to out-lean each other? I think the wheels fall quickly off for Karsten each step after 600 - he might be wobbling and hold on to 630m but then it's all J.I.

There’s this long-held belief here that somehow hurdlers should have better endurance than flat 400 runners. I’ve never seen any evidence of that. Plus Warholm is not a 400/800 guy, he’s a sprinter. He split like 20.8 indoors and he’s split 21.x in his hurdle races, he could probably run 20.3-4 in an open 200 and is not breaking 1:48 in the 800.

there is no way this post is serious. anyone who upvoted that post has little to no knowledge around athletics.

the correlation between the 400h and the 800 is known even at the high school level and only becomes more apparent as you move up to college and pro. at higher levels the training for 400h is very, very similar to what a 400/800 runner would be doing, due to the similar systems being used over the course of both events which call for extraordinarily high levels of lactic tolerance combined with a ton of speed.

the result of this is a clear correlation between the 2 events demonstrated very very easily with very little googling.

harald schmidt: 20.6, 44.9, 1:44.8, 47.4 400h

britton wilson: 49.1, 2:02.1, 53.0 400h

michaela rose: 53.4, 1:59.0, 56.8 400h

edwin moses could reportedly run under 1:50 with ease as well. this isn’t some random take about this so called “broad athleticism” between multiple events. this correlation between the 400h and the 800 continues at the highest level and you can find a number of other examples of it.

i have literally no doubt karsten warlholm could run around 1:46 with very little specific training. you really have to be stupidly strong to run either event and it crosses over very well. he would absolutely be world class if he specialized in it.

that said, jakob would win in an 800 between the 2 of them, but it would be close. karsten would only really win at 600m and under.

Before being arrogant, make sure everything you say is correct. The 400 and 800 are two very different events physiologically. Sure they both require a lot of lactic tolerance. But the 800 requires so much endurance that it is not comparable. Some 400m runners do well at the 800 but that's after some serious training for the 800, not right away. And they are rare. It's more an exception than the rule. Wariner, the kind of 400 runner everybody thought was able to do very well in the 800, only ran 1:53. Moreover, Warholm is more a 200/400 guy than a 400/800 guy. He is not the type of guy able to run a 800 at the same level as his 400 even with a lot of training. He has 0 chance vs Jakob at the 800, not close. Warholm would be like 5sec behind, running 49/1:0x while Jakob would be jogging a 53/53.

There are a lot of 400 guys that can run great 800s and a lot who can't, so it's tough to say what Warholm could do. A 50.5-ish 400 hurdler in my club who pretty much only ran sprints hopped in an 800 at the end of last year and ran 1:52 so I don't think it's crazy to say that Warholm might run a good 800, especially if he feels he's in that kind of shape based on his training. That said, there's a big difference between running a respectable 800 and beating Jacob Ingebrigtsen! I'd love to see them race if Warholm is really that confident, but yeah, it would be pretty tough to bet against the 3:27 1500m guy.

He would easily run 1:16. You mentioned Woody. Here are some Iowa guys' 400h times and 600 times.

Guillum 49/1:16

Jefferson 50/1:17

They had 7 guys run 1:18 or faster.

How exciting would that match up be over 800? I'd love to see it, but cannot imagine it'll ever happen. Moses ran just under 1:49, so I'd love to see what an animal like Warholm could do (and Jakob for that matter).

“The 400 and 800 are two very different events physiologically.”

nice job ignoring my argument entirely. nowhere did i say the 400 and 800 were similar events. they are not. i was arguing the 400h and 800 are similar events, which i stand by. they obviously aren’t identical but the 400h requires an amount of conditioning and endurance on par with the 800 to run successfully.

“Wariner, the kind of 400 runner everybody thought was able to do very well in the 800, only ran 1:53.”

wariner ran 1:53 in 2015, 8 years removed from his 400 PR in 2007. additionally, it was during his short comeback, and was run in march as one of his first races of the year. that 1:53 was not representational of his 800 capability in the slightest.

“Moreover, Warholm is more a 200/400 guy than a 400/800 guy. ”

huh? what evidence can you point to that supports this? he ran 20.91 indoors at the same time when he ran 45.96, when the majority of athletes running similar 400 times indoors run in the range of 20.4-20.7, which is pretty far away from 20.9, especially indoors. he did also run 44.87 outdoors in the same year he ran that 20.91, but because it was run in june and outdoors, i think that’s a poor argument to make.

“He is not the type of guy able to run a 800 at the same level as his 400 even with a lot of training.”

i think i have established the following:

1. there is a relationship between the 400h and 800

2. karsten warholm is not a 200/400 runner.

therefore, i argue the opposite. he would be good at the 800, and would be even better if he specialized in it.

Two examples about 400m H going to 800m

Dane Andreas Bube: 200m 21.68, 400m 46.48, 400m h 52.41, 800m 1:44.89 (mile 3:59)

Bube won silver twice in the European Champs. 1 outdoor and 1 indoor. He competed in the 2012 and 2016 Olympics. Reached the semifinal in the latter.

Pole Patryk Dobek 21.38, 46.12, 48.40, 1:43.73

Dobek competed for many years in the 400m h in international Champs first as a youth runner and later as a senior. He ran 400m h in Rio in 2016.

In 2021 he converted to the 800m and won this distance in the European Indoor Championships.

And later that year he got bronce in the 800m in the Tokyo final.

Unfortunately he seems to have retired!? No races in 2023.