They both have basically the same progression, so why does Nordas get a soft-soap interview with LRC but Katir just gets shade from Rojo? They both went from 3:36 to 3:29 (or 3:28.76 in Katir's case) in one year but Rojo heavily implies he thinks Katir is cheating. What gives?
They both have basically the same progression, so why does Nordas get a soft-soap interview with LRC but Katir just gets shade from Rojo? They both went from 3:36 to 3:29 (or 3:28.76 in Katir's case) in one year but Rojo heavily implies he thinks Katir is cheating. What gives?
For one, Nordas is much more suspect. He has only one good performance, zero indication that he should even get close to 3:29. Especially considering he has a 1:58 800m pr and similar prs to a high level NCAA runner. #2 The page is full of Norwegian fanboys that know nothing about running and wouldn't be here if not to suck Jacobs nuts.
They both have basically the same progression, so why does Nordas get a soft-soap interview with LRC but Katir just gets shade from Rojo? They both went from 3:36 to 3:29 (or 3:28.76 in Katir's case) in one year but Rojo heavily implies he thinks Katir is cheating. What gives?
For one, Nordas is much more suspect. He has only one good performance, zero indication that he should even get close to 3:29. Especially considering he has a 1:58 800m pr and similar prs to a high level NCAA runner. #2 The page is full of Norwegian fanboys that know nothing about running and wouldn't be here if not to suck Jacobs nuts.
100%
The only difference between them that affects rojo’s (and many people’s) perception is -
They both have basically the same progression, so why does Nordas get a soft-soap interview with LRC but Katir just gets shade from Rojo? They both went from 3:36 to 3:29 (or 3:28.76 in Katir's case) in one year but Rojo heavily implies he thinks Katir is cheating. What gives?
For one, Nordas is much more suspect. He has only one good performance, zero indication that he should even get close to 3:29. Especially considering he has a 1:58 800m pr and similar prs to a high level NCAA runner. #2 The page is full of Norwegian fanboys that know nothing about running and wouldn't be here if not to suck Jacobs nuts.
Agreed. How can Nordas run 3:29 with a 1:58 PB??? He must be coming through 800 at close to his PB and then somehow holds on for another 700? Sure dude.
Wait until you see Stewy McSweyn. 2:01 and 3:29???
They both have basically the same progression, so why does Nordas get a soft-soap interview with LRC but Katir just gets shade from Rojo? They both went from 3:36 to 3:29 (or 3:28.76 in Katir's case) in one year but Rojo heavily implies he thinks Katir is cheating. What gives?
For one, Nordas is much more suspect. He has only one good performance, zero indication that he should even get close to 3:29. Especially considering he has a 1:58 800m pr and similar prs to a high level NCAA runner. #2 The page is full of Norwegian fanboys that know nothing about running and wouldn't be here if not to suck Jacobs nuts.
1/ Spanish Morroccan nationality/background - the two worst EPO cultures in Europe and North Africa.
2/ Same manager as Cacho.
3/ Doesn't appear to have actually improved since he made his crazy progression 2 years ago.
4/ Manager has defended dopers, calling for convicted dopers to be given a second, third, and fourth chance.
5/ Katir has always been a 1500/5000 man, the Norwegian was a 5000/10000/ half marathoner until this year. He also had precisely two 1500 races last year, both of which he won easily.
6/ When asked about doping, Katir responds with his hands covering his ears, or on Instagram calling the accuser a loser whose wife would prefer to be with him (Katir).
1/ Spanish Morroccan nationality/background - the two worst EPO cultures in Europe and North Africa.
2/ Same manager as Cacho.
3/ Doesn't appear to have actually improved since he made his crazy progression 2 years ago.
4/ Manager has defended dopers, calling for convicted dopers to be given a second, third, and fourth chance.
5/ Katir has always been a 1500/5000 man, the Norwegian was a 5000/10000/ half marathoner until this year. He also had precisely two 1500 races last year, both of which he won easily.
6/ When asked about doping, Katir responds with his hands covering his ears, or on Instagram calling the accuser a loser whose wife would prefer to be with him (Katir).
Hello Coevett. Nordas is actually more suspicious because he claims to be talentless and by his results until he was 21.5 it sure seemed like he was by elite standards. 14:08/28:51/1:04:56. Katir meanwhile ran 7:48 before age 21. His 2019 was pretty impressive with a lot of wins (including the Spanish indoor title at 3k). He improved at 2020 though COVID was likely disruptive. 2021 obviously massive improvements. I’m not saying Nordas doped, but the rationale for his breakthrough is he started getting more attention from Gjert, stopped overtraining with Jakob, and discovered his best event at age 24? Is that really more plausible than Katir who got a ton more resources (altitude trips etc), a new coach with advanced training principles, and started racing outside of Spains domestic circuit?
Spain and Morocco have established doping cultures while Norway doesn't, at least not to the same extent, but I agree that they're both highly suspect
More so than the US? Without going to Google, I bet most people on this forum couldn't name 10 Moroccans or Spaniards who have been popped for doping. I could list 30 Americans off the top of my head
More so than the US? Without going to Google, I bet most people on this forum couldn't name 10 Moroccans or Spaniards who have been popped for doping. I could list 30 Americans off the top of my head
There’s a few things to disentangle. Spain was known/suspected of doping in the 90s with Estevez, Cacho etc. But I have not heard much accusations of their current and early 00s crop of 800/1500 guys like Fontes, Garcia Romo, Ben, Ordonez, Higuero, Casado, Garcia. It seems Katir’s emergence suddenly awakened long-dormant national doping stuff. Morocco there’s no question had a lot of doping stuff to the point of special classification by anti-doping and near-irrelevance as far as performances outside of Iguider and El Bakkali. But the link to Katir seems forced because he doesn’t train with a Moroccan group nor did he grow up in Morocco.
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More so than the US? Without going to Google, I bet most people on this forum couldn't name 10 Moroccans or Spaniards who have been popped for doping. I could list 30 Americans off the top of my head
There’s a few things to disentangle. Spain was known/suspected of doping in the 90s with Estevez, Cacho etc. But I have not heard much accusations of their current and early 00s crop of 800/1500 guys like Fontes, Garcia Romo, Ben, Ordonez, Higuero, Casado, Garcia. It seems Katir’s emergence suddenly awakened long-dormant national doping stuff. Morocco there’s no question had a lot of doping stuff to the point of special classification by anti-doping and near-irrelevance as far as performances outside of Iguider and El Bakkali. But the link to Katir seems forced because he doesn’t train with a Moroccan group nor did he grow up in Morocco.
Right. I remember the Spanish doping failures in the 90s, but that was 30 years ago. Morocco, yes, it has problems but it's categorization with the AIU is because of problems across many sports, not just track and field. The US avoids the AIUs special measures largely because of the funding it provides to WADA and the fact that so many sports where doping is rife (football, baseball) lie outside of the AIUs remit.
No matter how Rojo tries to rationalize it, his opinion of Katir is based purely on prejudice
For one, Nordas is much more suspect. He has only one good performance, zero indication that he should even get close to 3:29. Especially considering he has a 1:58 800m pr and similar prs to a high level NCAA runner. #2 The page is full of Norwegian fanboys that know nothing about running and wouldn't be here if not to suck Jacobs nuts.
I HATE LETSRUN 800 PB DISCOURSE
I HATE HEARING ABOUT 1500 RUNNERS 800 PB
I DONT CARE IF HICHAM RAN 1:42 IN PRACTICE
I DONT CARE IF JAKOB CAN RUN 1:44 OR NOT
SHUT UP
It's another of the Rojo brain worms along with "East African genetics"
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