Can someone tell me why two seniors with 422/424 1600 pbs are even running HS nationals?
Because these "national championship" meets discovered there is a lot of money to be made from running a bajillion sub-elite heats filled with sub-elite runners with rich families who will pay any amount of money to be able to say their child "competed at nationals".
Plus, now that theres about 10 different "national championships" at the high school level, the fields for each of them are pretty watered down. Need to lower the standards to fill the heats.
Honestly, I don't see the harm in it (besides the fighting, which wasn't the game plan, I'm sure). They wanted to get a PB! If their parents/grandparents et. all have the money and want to send them, how is this unlike any other running event? Running is a good, clean activity; if these people want to go and experience "Hayward magic" and be inspired for their training, I see no harm in it.
Some will claim that it is just normal racing in Europe.
It is, hold your own or don’t step on the track. None of this baby stuff if he push me it’s so unfair. It’s race, you get pushed, spiked and have to break stride to stay on your feet if you run in the pack because you wish to jog round and hard run your 200m/400m pace, hint try running hard from the start and harder at the end
Yet another idiotic post. Obviously pack running can result in some contact. Blatant shoving is a totally different matter. Why even bother posting such nonsense?
I cannot tell what is going on in the clip. Did outside runner try to move into his space? Did inside runner try to pass inside the rail? It is hard to tell. Obviously the final push was an overreaction but so was the one by the inside runner right before... Who made the first foul?
Honestly, I don't see the harm in it (besides the fighting, which wasn't the game plan, I'm sure). They wanted to get a PB! If their parents/grandparents et. all have the money and want to send them, how is this unlike any other running event? Running is a good, clean activity; if these people want to go and experience "Hayward magic" and be inspired for their training, I see no harm in it.
OK, but then it's not really a "national championship" meet, right? It'd be like if they ran a "B" race at NXN. It's meant to have a level of exclusivity. The model these meets use right now is more like an invitational.
The whole point of a championship is to aggregate all the best talent at that level and see who is the best. Now that there's so many different "national" meets, the talent is spread out between them all, and the fields are full of somewhat average runners. Not that it's inherently wrong for average runners to be there, but it does degrade the prestige of the meet.
The whole point of a championship is to aggregate all the best talent at that level and see who is the best. Now that there's so many different "national" meets, the talent is spread out between them all, and the fields are full of somewhat average runners. Not that it's inherently wrong for average runners to be there, but it does degrade the prestige of the meet.
Well, I mean, I agree...there's HOKA Festival of Miles (not just milers), Brooks PR (it's my understanding they pay for the kids to fly out there?), Nike Outdoor Nationals, New Balance Nationals...yeah, you're right. Which one is really "nationals"? I believe someone wrote Nike Outdoor Nationals will attract the talent from the West and New Balance will take the talent from the East coast. U20's are probably the most "national" of meets?? but that will include college students as well, so it's not a high school national championship track meet.
I believe someone wrote Nike Outdoor Nationals will attract the talent from the West and New Balance will take the talent from the East coast.
If there had to be multiple meets, this is what I believe it should be. But this model still doesn't seem to be working.
Off the top of my head, I know that Aaron Sahlman from Newbury Park (CA) ran the 800 at New Balance Nationals, which was the "east coast" meet. If he's from CA, shouldn't he have run at Nike Nationals? His teammates from Newbury Park ran the mile at Nike, too! How many other West Coasters ran at NB and vice versa with Nike Nationals? And what about Mid-western athletes?
Throw in the Hoka and Brooks meets, and you've just got a bunch of pointless races. Back when there was one national meet, we had the luxury of being able to call a single person "the best HSer in x event", but that's not really the case anymore, unless one athlete is able to win all (or at least a majority) of the national meets.
Throw in the Hoka and Brooks meets, and you've just got a bunch of pointless races. Back when there was one national meet, we had the luxury of being able to call a single person "the best HSer in x event", but that's not really the case anymore, unless one athlete is able to win all (or at least a majority) of the national meets.
Hoka and Brooks produced the fastest 800m times (until New Balance Nationals a week later, but the guy who won there was also at Brooks PR), so I wouldn't say they were "pointless races" Plus, they were just fun races. Being from the midwest, I would've loved to do a meet like Hoka post season, it wasn't around in my day.
I really enjoyed watching both Hoka FOM & the Brooks PR meet - Brooks PR was also free to go to, I'm not sure about Hoka, but they're all in different parts of the country, at least. Good for the sport, it could be argued. Hoka is in the Midwest, Brooks is in Seattle, Nike is in Eugene and Brooks PR, east coast.
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