Grant Fisher is the new Chris Solinsky

Forgot to mention his Outdoor 5000m at USAs but, even then. The field was weak - Klecker was not in his current form (Even though Grant took an L a month earlier at Pre in the 10,000m which should've been effortless for him coming off his 26:33.84 performance). And Woody was suffering a string of Injuries.

I don’t disagree

How many garbage threads have you started in the last 24 hours?

and they have the same coach who ruined Chris Derrick and Ryan Hill.

How many times have you commented on the garbage threads? 🤩

A lot.

But freedom of speech mofo.

Plus, I'm making a valid point.

I think Joe Klecker is much more similar to Chris than Grant

Not as much hype. Solinsky had all the attention on him in 2010 like Grant did in 2022. Maybe the pressure got to him.

Grant has three top 5 and one top 10 finishes in WC/Olympics and broke 4 American Records last year.

Klecker has one 9th place finish. No records. Woody has zero WC/Oly top 10s and 1 AR. They are both 35 seconds slower in the 10k. Maybe one gets the 5k record, but I honestly don’t see it andO don’t see either breaking 26:50 in the 10k.

Grant(turned 26 this year) is younger than both them(Joe turns 27 this year; woody turns 31 this year) and has already accomplished more so do what you will with that.

Hey Princess.

I never said Grant was unaccomplished. My point was that he's not gonna replicate his 2022 fitness. Based on everything you've witnessed this year. You think he'll go Sub 26:30 10,000m, Low 12:40s, and Go faster than Yared Nuguse's 3000m Time? Gimme a break. He's peaked and likely won't medal against either 5K or 10K.

5000m Hitters right now

Joshua Cheptegei (12:35.36)* #1 All-time

Yomif Kejelcha (12:41.73) #5 All-time

Jacob Kiplimo (12:41.73) #5 All-time

Selemon Barega (12:43.02) #7 All-time

Jacob Krop (12:45.71) #8 All-time

Telahun Bekele (12:46.21) #10 All-time

Nicholas Kimeli (12:46.33) #11 All-time

And that's just everyone faster than him on Paper.

Now the real contenders for medals and the kickers:

Jakob Ingebrigtsen (7:54.10 Two Miler)

Mo Katir (Beat Grant by almost 5 seconds and defeated Kejelcha in the process)

Luis Grijalva (Beat Grant by 4 seconds in Florence)

Mo Ahmed

Woody Kincaid

Joe Klecker

Grant is a great time-trialer. Not a medal contender, His chance was last year and likely won't get another. RIP 2022 Grant.

So he got beat by a couple seconds in a sprint by guys who live and train at altitude the first week of June. Grant has been at sea level all spring( we know because Mo was complaining about in Florence )

And now he’s gonna be at altitude for the next almost THREE months !! (Minus usas) training and he’s not going to get better. Okay good to know

Solinsky has never finished higher than 12th in a global final. Fisher has 3 top 6 finishes. He is already much better

I’m not seeing the connection. Solinsky’s record-breaking season was 2010. The next year, he finished second behind Lagat and ahead of Rupp (again) in the 5K at the US championships. He then suffered a hamstring injury (while tripping over his dog) that required surgery and kept him out of the world championships, and sadly he was never the same again.

As far as we know, Fisher is not injured. It’s also way too soon to be drawing conclusions about his 2023 season, let alone his future. The world championships are more than two months away. So what if he got beat in early June. Do you want him running his best in late August or early June?

Uh no. Solinsky made 0 Olympic teams and his best finish in a global championship was 12th.

Interesting thread. I don’t think the comparison works, but we will see.

I do think that runners stop being able to tolerate Jerry’s training after about age 26. There are some exceptions but that’s what I’ve observed. So if Grant ends up injured this year or next, I won’t be surprised. Hopefully I’m wrong.

Listing Klecker and Kincaid as top contenders on the world level and not Fisher is blatantly disrespectful and potentially moronic. I'd bet good money Fisher beats them both at worlds and he probably has his peak timed better enough to dust them both at USA's too. The difference between them is that Fisher is good enough to make the team on an underwhelming day and can afford to peak for the worlds championship while the other two are chasing times and contracts and burned out by August when it matters most.

I'm a big Jerry critic (for many reasons) - but did he really ruin them?

Both had incredible results in their early to mid 20's. Hill especially had more success than anyone should have expected from him in college. He was good, even great, but I don't know that anything indicated a 7:30 3k and a World Indoor silver.

Then, yes, they declined. Derrick rapidly. People running faster well into their late 20's/early 30's are the exception, not the norm.

If I had to guess, Derrick just wasn't a good fit for the group. Trying to do hard track repeats with a bunch of 3:50 milers.

Ahmed might be Jerry's only athlete whose shine extended beyond the typical 2-3 year solar flare.

Jager had a pretty good (and long) run.

But yes, agreed overall.

I’m super interested in how Jager does this year. Last year I thought he was a stretch to make the team and with Bor out, it makes it easier this year, but what kind of shape is he in?