The women's 5000 in Paris on Friday is INSANE. THis has to be the greatest women's 5000 EVER. Kipyegon, Gidey & MUCH MORE.

I'm not sure I understand the point of this post. Yes D3 champs in NCAA up through 2022 were mostly full of 14:10ish PB guys just like the women in this field. But what does that have to do with this thread. Why are we comparing one of the most exciting women's fields ever assembled to NCAA D3 men?

I can't wait to watch Kipyegon face these studs.

Great race in prospect. I just wish Hassan is here.

The women are improving. That is the point. Not sure why you weren’t capable of grasping this.

Too bad no Hassan in the race.

It is going to be very hot but maybe it will have cooled down by the race time.

Excellent field but it needed one among Tsegay or Hassan, preferably Hassan. There's immense pride between Hassan and Kipyegon every time they meet. They always keep an eye on each other throughout and their strategy is designed to defeat that one person. With Gidey in the race it would have been a fascinating split dynamic.

Minus Hassan I'm not sure if Kipyegon will prioritize defeating Gidey or mostly experiment with how it feels to run the 5000 at that level.

Welteji is really a wild card, with exactly one race on her resume beyond 1500.

Needs to have Katelyn Tuohy there as well.

@rojo

Sachem (do non-native Americans know what this mean), could you confirm that pacing lights in women's 1500 in Florence were set to 3:51.15? "The pacing lights were set at an obscure time of 3:51.15" as per LR article (not signed by the author). I didn't google on that but saw no mention of this fact anywhere.

Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the pacing lights something like ten meters long and the set pace is running smack in the middle of it?

Hence if so it takes over a whole second for the pacing lights itself to cross the finish line?

If the pacing lights in Florence were set to 3:51:15 it probably meant that the front end of it was running on WR pace - and any runner running totally in front of it down the final strecht not seeing it parallell to herself would have known she was ahead of WR pace?

Why is Hassan ducking this race? Disappointed in her

I'd take Tsegay over Hassan.

The 5k seems to be Hassan's weakest event as she has been unable to break 14.20.

Her 14.22 pb( which she's been unable to better severally) seems to be her peak.

Tsegay on the other hand would not be afraid/be capable of pushing the pace down into the 14.10s ..which is what we need for this race especially after her monstrous 8.16 pb indoors

Yep, they were set like this, it was shown mid-race on official video.

As for your question I don't know. For me the front end of the lights sets the pace.

Kipyegon was just so much ahead of the lights on the final straight that I was wondering what they are showing.

This never made any sense to me. How can a person who runs 3:52 and 29:07 not be able to break 14:15? It’s like how Kipchoge ran 12:46 and 2:01, but he was reputedly bad at the 10K? Bottom line, I don’t believe it. Hassan is the best 5000 runner in the world until she’s beaten when fit and ready regardless of her current pr. Maybe Tsegay or Kipyegon can do this, probably not. Gidey can’t.

Add also Beatrice Chebet....

First, Hassan is not the best 5k runner in the world by a long stretch.

She has been beaten and gets beaten at 5k by alot of women over the years when fit and fine (including regularly by Hellen Obiri who pulled her to 14.22 twice) up to including last year at the WC.

Heck in 2020 Obiri ran 14.22.12 (Hassans PB) in the 5K and she couldn't keep up w the pace and DNFd.

Secondly, Kipchoge was never bad at the 10k (26.49pb) he just had the misfortune of running at the same time as peak Bekele (who was going to beat him over the 10k?).

After failing to make it to the 2012 Kenyan team he said F all and moved on up.

Yes absolutely, thinking Hassan is only worth 14:22 is like thinking Farah in his prime was only worth 7:33 or 12:53.

Hassan crazy range :

1:56

3:51

14:22

29:06

1:05

2:18

And she was never a time chaser but rather a medal chaser.

Mind blowing fact : Her 3:51 1500m best happened in the Doha final she led wire to wire, closing in 59, after having already run and won the 10k final, her 1500m heat and semi final. In the backstretch she put 20 meters on everyone in 10 seconds. I think that was her true prime.

One can only wonder what she could have run in her prime, on fresh legs, with pacing lights and good pacemakers.

There are no Ifs in track and field, you either run the time or it never happened.
That's the yardstick for ALL athletes.

(fresh legs et al. are inconsequential excuses, is it we who told her not to rest?)

Also you saying she's never chased WR is funny and untrue as she's always chased WRs (Having chased and broken 4 in her career so far)

In 2019, Hassan broke the WR in the Mile, then lost the next 5k to Obiri and Tirop's 14.20. chasing the 5k WR

same thing happened in Monaco in 2021, where she requested WR pace then lost to Kipyegon

The 5K is simply her weakest event and thats ok. an Olympic gold medal is a good weakness to have

and thats exactly what Farah was worth. Nobody but his legs, stopped him from running faster than 7.33 and 12.53