On Friday night lex young is racing a 5k against pros at the LA Grand Prix. Does he respond to Connor Burns’s 5k record, with a record of his own? Is it more likely he holds on to to the pack and destroys the record or he’s unable to handle the hot pace and blows up at the end?
On Friday night lex young is racing a 5k against pros at the LA Grand Prix. Does he respond to Connor Burns’s 5k record, with a record of his own? Is it more likely he holds on to to the pack and destroys the record or he’s unable to handle the hot pace and blows up at the end?
Considering Lex is clearly a level ahead of Burns in both XC and also in the 1500, I would say that he should be able to get the 5k record as long as pace and weather are good for it
On Friday night lex young is racing a 5k against pros at the LA Grand Prix. Does he respond to Connor Burns’s 5k record, with a record of his own? Is it more likely he holds on to to the pack and destroys the record or he’s unable to handle the hot pace and blows up at the end?
Considering Lex is clearly a level ahead of Burns in both XC and also in the 1500, I would say that he should be able to get the 5k record as long as pace and weather are good for it
On Friday night lex young is racing a 5k against pros at the LA Grand Prix. Does he respond to Connor Burns’s 5k record, with a record of his own? Is it more likely he holds on to to the pack and destroys the record or he’s unable to handle the hot pace and blows up at the end?
Considering Lex is clearly a level ahead of Burns in both XC and also in the 1500, I would say that he should be able to get the 5k record as long as pace and weather are good for it
Lex hasn't run anything to show he is a level above Burns. He has run enough to show that he is around there. I think he runs 13:30s low for the record but I also wouldn't be shocked (or disappointed) in 13:40.
? Leo young is the 3:39 guy but he hasn't run the 5k on the track in HS. Lex is the "3:40 -high" twin but he he ran 13:43 last year. What makes you think he could barely break 14? He also pretty much matched his pr this year as well in a collegiate race iirc. I think he gets it but not by much. 13:34.9
? Leo young is the 3:39 guy but he hasn't run the 5k on the track in HS. Lex is the "3:40 -high" twin but he he ran 13:43 last year. What makes you think he could barely break 14? He also pretty much matched his pr this year as well in a collegiate race iirc. I think he gets it but not by much. 13:34.9
Lex's ideal race distance is longer than 1500m, but let's be clear he is not simply a "3:40-high" guy. Yes, in one unevenly paced race this season he ran 3:48, but he ran a 4:01.52 mile last year as a junior.
? Leo young is the 3:39 guy but he hasn't run the 5k on the track in HS. Lex is the "3:40 -high" twin but he he ran 13:43 last year. What makes you think he could barely break 14? He also pretty much matched his pr this year as well in a collegiate race iirc. I think he gets it but not by much. 13:34.9
I see he finished 10th in his Bryan Clay race this year when the winning time was 13:30. I am guessing he was pretty close to the leaders. When you are getting dragged to a time, being able to see the front is a big deal.
Just looking at the entries alone, it is going to be a much faster pace at the top of the heat, and also down towards the bottom. I don't think that is very favorable for him. Connor Burns finished very high up there in his race. He was trying to win the "chase pack" race going on within that 5k.
People seem to think that whatever Connor, Simeon, or w/e top high schoolers do....the twins must automatically be better because they have beaten them in the past. This current crop of runners are different though. I don't think the twins are even the best in their class at the end of the day. That will manifest itself later down the line.
Brosnan's runners know how to run fast, but they don't know how to race very well. Unless they are up front. We will see what happens. It is good for the sport if he does it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a miss.
? Leo young is the 3:39 guy but he hasn't run the 5k on the track in HS. Lex is the "3:40 -high" twin but he he ran 13:43 last year. What makes you think he could barely break 14? He also pretty much matched his pr this year as well in a collegiate race iirc. I think he gets it but not by much. 13:34.9
I see he finished 10th in his Bryan Clay race this year when the winning time was 13:30. I am guessing he was pretty close to the leaders. When you are getting dragged to a time, being able to see the front is a big deal.
Just looking at the entries alone, it is going to be a much faster pace at the top of the heat, and also down towards the bottom. I don't think that is very favorable for him. Connor Burns finished very high up there in his race. He was trying to win the "chase pack" race going on within that 5k.
People seem to think that whatever Connor, Simeon, or w/e top high schoolers do....the twins must automatically be better because they have beaten them in the past. This current crop of runners are different though. I don't think the twins are even the best in their class at the end of the day. That will manifest itself later down the line.
Brosnan's runners know how to run fast, but they don't know how to race very well. Unless they are up front. We will see what happens. It is good for the sport if he does it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a miss.
Leo has run 3:39 and finished 16th at world junior xc. That combo gives him a pretty good argument for best in his class
? Leo young is the 3:39 guy but he hasn't run the 5k on the track in HS. Lex is the "3:40 -high" twin but he he ran 13:43 last year. What makes you think he could barely break 14? He also pretty much matched his pr this year as well in a collegiate race iirc. I think he gets it but not by much. 13:34.9
I see he finished 10th in his Bryan Clay race this year when the winning time was 13:30. I am guessing he was pretty close to the leaders. When you are getting dragged to a time, being able to see the front is a big deal.
Just looking at the entries alone, it is going to be a much faster pace at the top of the heat, and also down towards the bottom. I don't think that is very favorable for him. Connor Burns finished very high up there in his race. He was trying to win the "chase pack" race going on within that 5k.
People seem to think that whatever Connor, Simeon, or w/e top high schoolers do....the twins must automatically be better because they have beaten them in the past. This current crop of runners are different though. I don't think the twins are even the best in their class at the end of the day. That will manifest itself later down the line.
Brosnan's runners know how to run fast, but they don't know how to race very well. Unless they are up front. We will see what happens. It is good for the sport if he does it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a miss.
Leo run 3:39 and finished 16th at world junior xc. That combo gives him a pretty good argument for best in his class
I see he finished 10th in his Bryan Clay race this year when the winning time was 13:30. I am guessing he was pretty close to the leaders. When you are getting dragged to a time, being able to see the front is a big deal.
Just looking at the entries alone, it is going to be a much faster pace at the top of the heat, and also down towards the bottom. I don't think that is very favorable for him. Connor Burns finished very high up there in his race. He was trying to win the "chase pack" race going on within that 5k.
People seem to think that whatever Connor, Simeon, or w/e top high schoolers do....the twins must automatically be better because they have beaten them in the past. This current crop of runners are different though. I don't think the twins are even the best in their class at the end of the day. That will manifest itself later down the line.
Brosnan's runners know how to run fast, but they don't know how to race very well. Unless they are up front. We will see what happens. It is good for the sport if he does it, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's a miss.
Leo has run 3:39 and finished 16th at world junior xc. That combo gives him a pretty good argument for best in his class
Hard to say. Burns and Simeon didn’t race USA juniors I believe. Just like how the twins didn’t race them at Arcadia.
It’s a shame we are going to have to wait for a match up when they are all at their peak.
Leo has run 3:39 and finished 16th at world junior xc. That combo gives him a pretty good argument for best in his class
Hard to say. Burns and Simeon didn’t race USA juniors I believe. Just like how the twins didn’t race them at Arcadia.
It’s a shame we are going to have to wait for a match up when they are all at their peak.
Burns and Simeon never excelled in cross country like Leo has. As a junior Leo ran the fastest high school three mile ever and the second fastest high school 5k ever. He also was the closest to German’s 14:24 with his early season 14:25 this year. The only high schooler in the last two years to beat him in races where he didn’t go out too hard and blow up, like state or NXN, has been Colin.
Not to mention he actually has a faster 800m PR than Birnbaum or Burns. The range isn’t even a comparison
I agree with this. If asked to pick an overall #1 amongst distance guys in the class of 2023, I really don't struggle to say that Leo seems to be the best right now. His ability to close (think of the way he dropped the field in the last 200 meters of the U.S. junior XC race) and his success over 1500m so far this spring show great speed. He's also shown great endurance at every cross race save for NXN this year, with a 16th place at world juniors over 8k being particularly impressive. I just don't think any of the other '23 guys have shown that combination of strength or endurance as consistently.
After Leo, though, I do find it difficult to rank anyone. Birnbaum has a great ability to close, but he doesn't have quite the same cross country chops. Burns and Lex feel like very similar athletes to me (though I'm not sure they would appreciate the comparison). They both feel more like true 5000m guys who can put up impressive times at shorter distances based off of strength, even if they haven't shown a lot of potential to win a kicker's race. Gorze is an endurance monster, but without the shorter end resume highlights. Hansen could be added to the conversation based on his consistency. A win at NXN plus a sub-1:50 800m PR means I can't leave out Sahlman, either.
Of course, there's still plenty of season left for all these guys to shake up my thoughts and to put down more big performances (Lex taking another swing at the 5000, Gorze going for the 10, Burns doing the 2 mile at Brooks, a whole bunch of guys in miles in St. Louis and at Nike Nationals, etc.). And who excels the most in high school isn't necessarily an indication of who will have the best career in college or beyond. Still, as of right now, I do see Leo as the top dawg of the 23 class, with lots of stellar talent jockeying for the spotlight right beneath him.
The only way to truly see which of them is faster is to get everyone in one race. I think it's generally agreed upon that the Youngs have more opportunities to run fast being in CA with great training conditions and proximity to high level races. Burns and Birnbaum are doing most of their races in the midwest where the weather is often cool and extremely windy. As far as the 800, Birnbaum ran a solo 1:50 this year on a windy day in Sioux Falls which seems a lot more impressive than being pulled to a fast time in a collegiate or pro race. Leo isn't the best until he proves it by winning a race against these guys.
Leo has run 3:39 and finished 16th at world junior xc. That combo gives him a pretty good argument for best in his class
He might be the best in his class and still not run 13:37. Imagine he is in 13:25 shape. You think weather, pacing, or just being slightly off can't make you 15s slower? Burns might have had the race of his year and not come within 10s of that time.Look at Rupps 10k right after the 5k. He was in 28:20 type shape. He didn't break 29:00.
As a fan, It will be a shame if we don't end up with fast mile/2 mile with most of these players.
How have the Newbury Park athletes who opted-out of their high school team even been training? I realize Lex was banged up there for a bit, but has his inconsistencies...just maybe...have a tad of senioritis sprinkled in there?
How have the Newbury Park athletes who opted-out of their high school team even been training? I realize Lex was banged up there for a bit, but has his inconsistencies...just maybe...have a tad of senioritis sprinkled in there?
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