when they start putting springs in the track (like a gymnastic floors) will you be for that?
How come when Addidas came out with shoe that had a spring in the heel it was ruled illegal, but when super shoes with carbon plates fiber by Nike was introduced it was legalized ?
so anything that makes us fasters it okay. except for the springs.
can we wear jetpacks on our back to make us faster?
How come swimming ruled those new suits that made everyone fasters illegal? because they knew it would ruin the integrity of the records in their sport.
when they start putting springs in the track (like a gymnastic floors) will you be for that?
How come when Addidas came out with shoe that had a spring in the heel it was ruled illegal, but when super shoes with carbon plates fiber by Nike was introduced it was legalized ?
so anything that makes us fasters it okay. except for the springs.
can we wear jetpacks on our back to make us faster?
How come swimming ruled those new suits that made everyone fasters illegal? because they knew it would ruin the integrity of the records in their sport.
How is what they have done for the Super Shoes any different than putting springs on the shoes of high jumpers?
I scored 2 pairs of Endorphin Pro 2s a few weeks back for $100 Canadian each, which is less than $75. How many runners are lining up in shoes that cost less than $75 these days do you figure?
It's interesting isn't it because I thought artificial propulsion was banned but in essence is that not what the super shoes are. Sure there is some distinction re nature of spring vs carbon plate, although... is it not a spring by any other name?
The road records should have been frozen in 2017, the track records in 2019. The game changed so much that it's pointless comparing times between the pre-supershoe era and today.
It's interesting isn't it because I thought artificial propulsion was banned but in essence is that not what the super shoes are. Sure there is some distinction re nature of spring vs carbon plate, although... is it not a spring by any other name?
Artificial propulsion would be additional energy that's not provided by the athlete, so no, that's not remotely what super shoes are. The shoes reduce how much energy is lost compared to older shoes. Sure, if someone tries to introduce power that's not provided by the athlete, that's a problem, but that's not what we're talking about.
I don't believe any 10.00 and slower 100m dash guys could beat Jesse Owens even though J O has a 10.2 p.b. I doubt any 9.90 and slower 100m dash guys could beat Jesse Owens. All the super shoes talk, remember up to early 1960's t&f athletes wore leather shoes.
When Arthur Lydiard took a look at the first rubber track he said they are worth at least a second per lap. I think a hurdler's first workout of note (forget who now), ran directly into the first hurdle. Conversationally, we will say Peter Snell ran 1:44.10 on a cinder track, but his time doesn't have a symbol to represent cinders. He would have run at least 1:42.10 on rubber, in theory anyway, now what if he ran in superspikes on the best Mondo track? Is he 1:41? We cannot compare, it is impossible.
Supershoes are here to stay, but we should have a year established that indicates the advent of rubber track, then advent of supershoes. 1960 and 2019? Something like that?
Another issue is the improvement and variations in rubbers tracks. Same problem with shoes. They will continue to improve, then what?
It's interesting isn't it because I thought artificial propulsion was banned but in essence is that not what the super shoes are. Sure there is some distinction re nature of spring vs carbon plate, although... is it not a spring by any other name?
Artificial propulsion would be additional energy that's not provided by the athlete, so no, that's not remotely what super shoes are. The shoes reduce how much energy is lost compared to older shoes. Sure, if someone tries to introduce power that's not provided by the athlete, that's a problem, but that's not what we're talking about.
Yeah I think I used the wrong terminology there possibly to describe what I meant (I wish we had a professional to define artificial propulsion, is that you?). I mean return of energy, as in -- a spring is banned, as someone said, you can't put coils in shoes to legally use them in track competitions (well, legal within the world of sport). But a carbon plate - I just don't think there is too much difference in the essence of what they are trying to do, even if the design is different.
Don't the shoes give back energy at a very different rate?