Obviously the main focus was on how the steeplers faired up ahead (with Girma finally scoring a victory over El Bakkali, as well as 5k runners, Aregawi and Barega)
But in fifth behind Bakkali, Cheruiyot ran an excellent 7:36 to show impressive strength for a 1:43 man
It looks like both he and Kerr are trying to pull a Wightman with their recent 3k efforts
Hard to see how exactly that translates to sub 3:30 1500. Decent run, but something around 7:33 would’ve been more indicative of good shape. I think in 2019 he could’ve broken 7:30 in the 3000 as well given his strength from the front
Hard to see how exactly that translates to sub 3:30 1500. Decent run, but something around 7:33 would’ve been more indicative of good shape. I think in 2019 he could’ve broken 7:30 in the 3000 as well given his strength from the front
Exactly. It was an evenly paced race, 60sec per lap, and he dropped from the lead group after 4 laps - that's 3:45 1500m. The most it was an ok race for him.
Whatever you think of him, Asbel Kiprop was similar to Tim in that he was also a 1:43 guy. His 3000m PB is 7:42. Ludicrous to expect 1:43 guys to run sub 7:30.
Hard to see how exactly that translates to sub 3:30 1500. Decent run, but something around 7:33 would’ve been more indicative of good shape. I think in 2019 he could’ve broken 7:30 in the 3000 as well given his strength from the front
Exactly. It was an evenly paced race, 60sec per lap, and he dropped from the lead group after 4 laps - that's 3:45 1500m. The most it was an ok race for him.
It wasn’t phenomenal but it was at least ok. He lost a lot of ground on the 6th lap as the leaders ratcheted up the pace but was able to rebound with a 13.7 last 100m to hold off Wale and Almgren for 5th - in his first race above 1500 at this level. And you can’t exactly compare his 7:36 with the 3k PRs of Ingebrigtsen, Katir and McSweyn as an indication of his 1500 fitness, because none of those guys are anywhere near Cheruiyot’s 1:43.11 PB - they’re different kinds of runners. Jake Wightman is a better comparison with his 1:43.65 PR, and Wightman’s 3k PR is 7:37.81. Between the 1:45.0 Cheruiyot ran in Kenya last month and this 7:36, I’d say he’s in a good place for this point in the season.
Hard to see how exactly that translates to sub 3:30 1500. Decent run, but something around 7:33 would’ve been more indicative of good shape. I think in 2019 he could’ve broken 7:30 in the 3000 as well given his strength from the front
Who said it translates to sub 3:30? 7:36 is already a decent time for a 1:43 man and it’s only May.
Hard to see how exactly that translates to sub 3:30 1500. Decent run, but something around 7:33 would’ve been more indicative of good shape. I think in 2019 he could’ve broken 7:30 in the 3000 as well given his strength from the front
Who said it translates to sub 3:30? 7:36 is already a decent time for a 1:43 man and it’s only May.
Plus we already know Tim can run sub 3:30, so showing improved strength means he’s still a threat for Gold
1) Just showing up. He's trying something different and that's key. It shows he's still got the fire in his belly and knows he needs something different.
2) He did pretty well. Can you imagine running your first ever 3k of your life at the Doha DL? That's like diving headfirst into a pool when you aren't sure you can swim. He flailed for a minute (He lost ground on the 5th lap when it went down to 58 as he ran a 61 and then his next lap was a 63) but just a the lifeguard was about to be called, he figured it out and swam safely to the side. He closed in under 1:30 for his last 600.
Whatever you think of him, Asbel Kiprop was similar to Tim in that he was also a 1:43 guy. His 3000m PB is 7:42. Ludicrous to expect 1:43 guys to run sub 7:30.
Said Aouita laughs heartily.
Though only a 1:44 guy, 800+ GOAT Augustine Choge laughs yet heartilier.
1) Just showing up. He's trying something different and that's key. It shows he's still got the fire in his belly and knows he needs something different.
2) He did pretty well. Can you imagine running your first ever 3k of your life at the Doha DL? That's like diving headfirst into a pool when you aren't sure you can swim. He flailed for a minute (He lost ground on the 5th lap when it went down to 58 as he ran a 61 and then his next lap was a 63) but just a the lifeguard was about to be called, he figured it out and swam safely to the side. He closed in under 1:30 for his last 600.
Now let's hope he can rinse off, towel off, and get ready to jump back into the pool!
Whatever you think of him, Asbel Kiprop was similar to Tim in that he was also a 1:43 guy. His 3000m PB is 7:42. Ludicrous to expect 1:43 guys to run sub 7:30.
Whatever you think of him, Asbel Kiprop was similar to Tim in that he was also a 1:43 guy. His 3000m PB is 7:42. Ludicrous to expect 1:43 guys to run sub 7:30.
Guess you’ve never heard of Said Aouita.
At least there is a slim chance that Tim is clean, unlike with Aouita.
Whatever you think of him, Asbel Kiprop was similar to Tim in that he was also a 1:43 guy. His 3000m PB is 7:42. Ludicrous to expect 1:43 guys to run sub 7:30.
Said Aouita laughs heartily.
Though only a 1:44 guy, 800+ GOAT Augustine Choge laughs yet heartilier.
The difference is that Tim is a 1500m runner who runs an 800m as a one off, and runs a 3000m as a one off.
Said Aouita devoted himself to the 800m in 1988. He only ran longer than a mile that year once - a two mile race in 8:14. Even his 1500m times suffered - he only ran faster than 3;35.7 once (3:32.7). He ran a stack of 800 and 1000m races, and averaged about 1:45.6 on the circuit
Aouita ran his 3000m pb of 7:29 in 1989. He did not run the 800m again after 88. He was back to being a 1500/5000m man.
Saying that Aouita was a 1:43/7:29/12:58 man is really stretching it, even if technically true.
He was probably never capable of running sub 1:45/7:30/13:00 in the same season.
He is not just the only ever world class 1500m to drop down to the 800m (that is focus on the 800m for an entire season), he's also the only ever world class 5000m man to drop down to the 800m.
If Jakob decided to train primarily for the 800m for an entire year, he would probably get down to close to 1:44 flat, while still being able to run the 1500 and 5000 much faster than Aouita was or would have in 1988.
Aouita ran 1:43.9/3:32.7/8:14 in 1988
In 1978 Steve Ovett ran 1:44.0/3:35.6/8:13 Ovett had fewer paced races than Aouita that year. His 800 and 1500 times were in the European Championship finals where he won silver and gold, and his two mile time was the WR beating Henry Rono in his best year.
Though only a 1:44 guy, 800+ GOAT Augustine Choge laughs yet heartilier.
The difference is that Tim is a 1500m runner who runs an 800m as a one off, and runs a 3000m as a one off.
Said Aouita devoted himself to the 800m in 1988.
Saying that Aouita was a 1:43/7:29/12:58 man is really stretching it, even if technically true.
He was probably never capable of running sub 1:45/7:30/13:00 in the same season.
Way to move the goalposts. There's no reason not to expect a 3:28 guy to transfer well in either distance direction.
If Tim's 1:43 is a one-off as you say, there's no reason to expect him to be too speed-oriented to hit 7:30. Particularly, as you mention, in a different season.
Katir could go 1:43 on the right day if he wanted. So could Jakob. I think most of the current sub 3:30, sub 7:30 crop (recently, I'll grant Choge is no longer capable) could do a 1:43 pretty easily if they tried. Most don't. Kiprop could have beat 7:30. Tim could, but probably doesn't really want to.
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