The frustrating part about all of this Rojo is that this young man was a 1:48-1:50 guy before coming to Angelo State; now that he's a consistent 1:45 guy...time to leave? Coach Tom Dibbern has done a tremendous job with this young man, especially navigating the Ramadan season and his training/racing.
The frustrating part about all of this Rojo is that this young man was a 1:48-1:50 guy before coming to Angelo State; now that he's a consistent 1:45 guy...time to leave? Coach Tom Dibbern has done a tremendous job with this young man, especially navigating the Ramadan season and his training/racing.
He ran 1:48.3 in 2021. His coach gets at least 1 and likely multiple D2 Championships (if he finishes out the season) for his program, 18 points at indoor conferences and a lot of positive press/visibility for a little-known program. It's been very good for both sides, and making a negative out of him looking to go to a program with more resources is pretty absurd.
D2 is broken and has no rules. D1 eligibility clock is all about when you graduated high school. Look at Charlie hunter who was 25 when he won NCAAs.
i couldn’t run d1 because I took 3 years off out of high school. If you’re still racing they will dock that from your eligibility clock in d2. I didn’t find this out until I was transferring out of Juco attempting to run at Iowa or Oregon. Even the compliance in the NCAA doesn’t seem to know the rules. I was told by other university’s like Oklahoma that I would have 2.5 years of eligibility in any division then ended up having 0 due to racing not in school. in d2 I had two cross countries and 1 indoor with no outdoor then 2020 happened and I didn’t get COVID eligibility while others who had outdoor did.
As long as he didn’t race he could have 4 years d2 and depending on when he graduated high school (or equivalent) he could only have 1 year.
D2 is broken and has no rules. D1 eligibility clock is all about when you graduated high school. Look at Charlie hunter who was 25 when he won NCAAs.
i couldn’t run d1 because I took 3 years off out of high school. If you’re still racing they will dock that from your eligibility clock in d2. I didn’t find this out until I was transferring out of Juco attempting to run at Iowa or Oregon. Even the compliance in the NCAA doesn’t seem to know the rules. I was told by other university’s like Oklahoma that I would have 2.5 years of eligibility in any division then ended up having 0 due to racing not in school. in d2 I had two cross countries and 1 indoor with no outdoor then 2020 happened and I didn’t get COVID eligibility while others who had outdoor did.
As long as he didn’t race he could have 4 years d2 and depending on when he graduated high school (or equivalent) he could only have 1 year.
Lol none of this sounds surprising. I’ve worked with 4 different compliance directors in 12 years and it seems like a lot of their rules interpretations around athletic clock are purely based in speculation and are open for interpretation. If D2 wanted to get out of their own way and increase their credibility, they’d adopt regionals in track and would drop the altitude conversion nonsense. D2 could be so good if they could just get out of their own way.
D2 is broken and has no rules. D1 eligibility clock is all about when you graduated high school. Look at Charlie hunter who was 25 when he won NCAAs.
i couldn’t run d1 because I took 3 years off out of high school. If you’re still racing they will dock that from your eligibility clock in d2. I didn’t find this out until I was transferring out of Juco attempting to run at Iowa or Oregon. Even the compliance in the NCAA doesn’t seem to know the rules. I was told by other university’s like Oklahoma that I would have 2.5 years of eligibility in any division then ended up having 0 due to racing not in school. in d2 I had two cross countries and 1 indoor with no outdoor then 2020 happened and I didn’t get COVID eligibility while others who had outdoor did.
As long as he didn’t race he could have 4 years d2 and depending on when he graduated high school (or equivalent) he could only have 1 year.
this is definitely not the rule anymore. currently d1 rules start the eligibility clock when you are a full time student in college. basically, if you run anywhere at the collegiate level, your clock will start
So they changed the rule within the last 4 years? This was 2019 when I was transferring. Even in 2020 they still had this rule before covid. Compliance at every university has a different interpretation of this rule.
The frustrating part about all of this Rojo is that this young man was a 1:48-1:50 guy before coming to Angelo State; now that he's a consistent 1:45 guy...time to leave? Coach Tom Dibbern has done a tremendous job with this young man, especially navigating the Ramadan season and his training/racing.
He ran 1:48.3 in 2021. His coach gets at least 1 and likely multiple D2 Championships (if he finishes out the season) for his program, 18 points at indoor conferences and a lot of positive press/visibility for a little-known program. It's been very good for both sides, and making a negative out of him looking to go to a program with more resources is pretty absurd.
his coach should get hired by a DI program too. He won’t have the resources at DII
So they changed the rule within the last 4 years? This was 2019 when I was transferring. Even in 2020 they still had this rule before covid. Compliance at every university has a different interpretation of this rule.
I guess it was changed. I'm a runner in CCCAA (the california juco system) - and the 5 year rule is what was explained to me at the beginning of the season for anyone with D1 ambitions.
D1 still does altitude conversions and the even use the same calculator/formulas as D2. Its just that all the D1 schools have money and can afford to move their whole teams to fancy/expensive sealevel races all season. The conversion allow for more people at smaller schools to have opportunities to qualify. Which is what D2 is about.
Plus if the conversion gave an unfair advantage to the athletes using it then why wouldn't you see bubble d1ers going up to get a couple of more seconds which they would very much need if they were on the bubble.
The altitude conversions are the same for everyone in the NCAA, it has nothing to do with D2. And good luck with your bottomless budget needed to be flying people all over the country every week. That's a quick demand to having a program become dispensable for an athletic department due to cost.
Same goes for regionals in track. In D2 there is a huge imbalance. The majority of the schools are in the east, but the majority of the talent in is in the west. Not to mention the cost of keeping people on campus forever.
The altitude conversions are the same for everyone in the NCAA, it has nothing to do with D2. And good luck with your bottomless budget needed to be flying people all over the country every week. That's a quick demand to having a program become dispensable for an athletic department due to cost.
Same goes for regionals in track. In D2 there is a huge imbalance. The majority of the schools are in the east, but the majority of the talent in is in the west. Not to mention the cost of keeping people on campus forever.
Bottomless budget?? How much does it honestly cost to fly from CO to CA? I'm seeing direct flights from Denver to LAX for $198 on Delta.............
Not to beat a dead horse like you all do at convention every single year but, as of 4/30/23:
Men's 800 top 10: 8 of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Women's 800 top 10: 8 of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Men's 1500 top 10: 5 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Women's 1500 top 10: 9 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Men's 5000 top 10: 10 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Women's 5000 top 10: 8 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Men's 10000 top 10: 3 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Women's 10000 top 10: 5 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Men's steeple top 10: 6 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
Women's steeple top 10: 7 out of the top 10 marks are ALL from out-of-state competition
So for some bar napkin math: 69 out of the top 100 marks across 10 events are from out-of-state competition. So if almost 70% of the top 10 performances across ALL of the distance events required travel, then how does your cost argument hold any water?
To the guy who argued that conversions are meant to help the little guys who can't travel...
Schools in the RMAC who traveled to LA this spring:
So out of 14 schools in the whole conference, 10 traveled to California.
So if you're right and it's difficult for D2 schools to travel because they're "smaller schools" that "can't afford" to travel to "have opportunities to qualify," then why did a vast majority go to California? Why not just go to Mines and GET A 70 SECOND CONVERSION FOR A 10K or a 29 SECOND CONVERSION FOR A 5K or a 6 SECOND CONVERSION OVER 1500M.
Take a look at the men's 1500m list:
There's 9 men, currently, with a conversion. 8 out of the 9 have conversions FASTER then their actual 1500m PR. All 8 of those guys ran a 1500 in Cali SLOWER than their converted mark from altitude.
So my point: if schools can't afford to travel, why did they travel to CA to run SLOWER than their converted times? Well that just sounds like a waste of money to me! But I forgot, that's "what D2 is all about."
I see Dan Futrell is still #7 on the D2 800 list but does he still hold the D2 meet record? I thought Freddie Williams or Savieri would have crushed it but Futrells record hung on for many years. I was bookended between him and Armstead at NE MO. D2 was the right place for me. Plenty of good competiton and teammates to practice with. MIAA was pretty tough in those years. We had plenty of opportinities to race D1 and competed well against them for a smaller school. People can bag on D2 all they want for athletics and academics but we had NFL quality on the FB team, an Olympic Champion on the track team and I am still in contact with 5 millionaires that graduated from some podunk school in a cow pasture.
Through the years the men's 15 has been the most taken advantage of conversion. I can remember Adams' Aaron Braun running a 3:43 @ Stanford, then a week later running a 3:41 converted at the RMAC meet. Last year there were a Ton of guys who ran their "PR's" at the early season Maverick Invite?.. then went to APU and couldn't touch the times at sea level. Then there's the Kenyan pro who ran 3:30 at elevation a few years ago, which would have converted down to a World Record if using the NCAA conversion. I'm not against altitude conversions. It is difficult for these smaller schools to get to CA for meets, I'm just against how generous the conversions seem to be for altitude-trained athletes.
He was “placed” there by a d1 school (just like Ole Miss used to use St. Leo). That’s how it works with juco stars also.
you really can tell those that make statements that have no clue what they are talking about. In fact it was between two different D2 schools and not placed because of a d1 school. You people on here really do show yourself by making statements that have zero truth to them.
Help us build the best running shoe review site for a chance to win a LetsRun t-shirt.Help us build the best running shoe review site for a chance to win one of 10 LetsRun t-shirts.
