Can't find any clear criteria from NCAA. I have no idea what they mean by top 48 (time, place in conference, etc) and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be 48 from every event. Can you qualify through placing in the conference meets? Also what's up with these amateur regions that hold meets like the ECAC? Do they have any bearing on the prelims or championship?
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Can't find any clear criteria from NCAA. I have no idea what they mean by top 48 (time, place in conference, etc) and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be 48 from every event. Can you qualify through placing in the conference meets? Also what's up with these amateur regions that hold meets like the ECAC? Do they have any bearing on the prelims or championship?
you qualify by having one of the top 48 performances of the athletes who declare for the event. It is in the NCAA Pre Championships Manual.
Tffrs stays up to date on the performances and declarations happen before regionals at a date specficied in the pre Championship Manual.
What if 37 of the top-48 times come from schools in one regional? Does this mean there are 37 runners on the track for the 5000 in Sacramento and only 11 on the track in Jacksonville?
Can't find any clear criteria from NCAA. I have no idea what they mean by top 48 (time, place in conference, etc) and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be 48 from every event. Can you qualify through placing in the conference meets? Also what's up with these amateur regions that hold meets like the ECAC? Do they have any bearing on the prelims or championship?
you qualify by having one of the top 48 performances of the athletes who declare for the event. It is in the NCAA Pre Championships Manual.
Tffrs stays up to date on the performances and declarations happen before regionals at a date specficied in the pre Championship Manual.
This is what I was talking about when I said the 48 tier list wasn't clear. Do you mean that only the 48 fastest get to go? What's the point of having conference or region meets, then? How do you qualify for the region meets?
As I said in my original post, NCAA doesn't give any criteria on their website. The entire prelims packet doesn't even say how to get into the national championships. NCAA seems to really like to keep their secrets
This is what I was talking about when I said the 48 tier list wasn't clear. Do you mean that only the 48 fastest get to go? What's the point of having conference or region meets, then? How do you qualify for the region meets?
No, they take 48 to each regional meet. If you are 60th and 12 don't declare for that event you can go. As conference meets seem scheduled within the prescribed qualifying window you can post a qualifying mark for NCAA at conference meet. (Read the manual)
As I said in my original post, NCAA doesn't give any criteria on their website. The entire prelims packet doesn't even say how to get into the national championships. NCAA seems to really like to keep their secrets
No secrets: FIRST ROUND CHAMPIONSHIPS COMPETITION Qualification to the First round championships competition is based on the descending-order list for the season, segregated by east and west sites, and prepared solely from the mandatory submission of meet results during the season and adhering to the qualifying regulations. For each individual event contested at each of the First round championships competition sites, the top 48 declared student-athletes will be accepted into the competition. For each relay event contested at each of the First round championships competition sites, the top 24 declared relay teams will be accepted into the competition. The stated maximums are absolute and will not be extended as a result of ties. Combined Events. The heptathlon and decathlon events are not contested at the First round championships competition. Qualification to the championships in these two events is accomplished through a competitor’s position on the national descending-order list. The top 24 declared student-athletes in each of these two events will be accepted into the national championships. Declaration for these two events is completed during the one and only declaration period, which is before the First round championships competition. Technical Manual. The Outdoor Track and Field Technical Manual outlines the technical procedures for all rounds of the championships, including qualifying and advancement procedures to the final championships competition. This manual can be found on the NCAA website at ncaa.org under Membership, Division I, Division I Championships, Spring Sports, Outdoor Track and Field (M/W). Ties. [Reference: 2023 Outdoor Track and Field Technical Manual
Section 1•3 Important Dates Tuesday, March 1 The qualifying window for the Division I Men’s and Women’s Outdoor Track and Field Championships opens. This will go through the second Sunday before the start of First round competition. Sunday, May 14 Last date a qualifying performance may be achieved, except for conference championships. Mandatory meet results submission deadline for all regular season and conference championships is 5 p.m. Eastern time, Monday, May 15. Note: the only allowable competition that may occur and be used toward NCAA qualifying on Monday, May 15, is that of a conference championship. Results must be submitted to TFRRS. Marks submitted after 5 p.m. Eastern time, Monday, May 15 will not be eligible for qualifying. Monday, May 15 Last date a qualifying performance may be achieved for conference championships ONLY. Results must be reported to TFRRS by 5 p.m. Eastern time. Marks submitted after 5 p.m. Eastern time will not be eligible for qualifying. Final descending-order lists posted and declarations open by 8 p.m. Eastern time. Coaches must submit electronic declaration through DirectAthletics by Wednesday, May 17, at 2 p.m. Eastern time. Declarations submitted between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. Eastern time will be accepted as LATE and the institution will be fined a minimum of $400 per team, per gender (Reference: Declaration Process in this manual). Tuesday, May 16 Challenge period ends at noon Eastern time. Challenges must be submitted by email to Sean Laughlin (
). Wednesday, May 17 As stated above, the declaration window closes at 2 p.m. Eastern time. Declarations submitted between 2 p.m. and 4 p.m. Eastern time will be accepted as LATE and the institution will be fined a minimum of $400 per team, per gender (Reference: Declaration Process in this manual). There is no opportunity to submit declaration forms after 4 p.m. Eastern time. Declarations review window will open at 5 p.m. Eastern time and close at 7 p.m. Eastern time. It is the responsibility of each coach to check this list and report any discrepancies by 7 p.m. To report a discrepancy, the coach will need to contact Jeff Mlynski (
). The coach should be prepared to provide a copy of his or her confirmation email. Please note the review window is not an extension of declarations and is not an opportunity to change student-athletes from scratched to declared or vice versa. It is solely an opportunity to make sure there were no technical glitches that occurred in the processing of the data from the DirectAthletics (declaration site) to the NCAA data specialist
I did read it, but still neither it nor you gave clear criteria. Are the 48 based on time alone? Who's they? By region, do you mean the regional meets or the prelim meets? What about meets like the ECAC? I can find no answers in the NCAA manuals. If conference meets are just used for times, why call them conferences or hold them at all? You might as well just have another meet that doesn't have to be regionally restricted
I did read it, but still neither it nor you gave clear criteria. Are the 48 based on time alone? Who's they? By region, do you mean the regional meets or the prelim meets? What about meets like the ECAC? I can find no answers in the NCAA manuals. If conference meets are just used for times, why call them conferences or hold them at all? You might as well just have another meet that doesn't have to be regionally restricted
Maybe you should focus on your studies :) Everything you need is in the links I provided and in some cases copied sections into this thread.
The qualifiers for NCAA regionals are selected for each region based strictly on time.
The qualifiers are the top 48 declared times from each region.
Once someone gets to the regional meet the path to Nationals is strictly elimination based.
If you want the current list per region go to TFRRS.
Gotcha.
Seems a little pointless to have conference meets other than just to have another meet before the prelims, then. Might as well just call them last chance meets and invite anyone who'll come
The qualifiers for NCAA regionals are selected for each region based strictly on time.
The qualifiers are the top 48 declared times from each region.
Once someone gets to the regional meet the path to Nationals is strictly elimination based.
If you want the current list per region go to TFRRS.
Gotcha.
Seems a little pointless to have conference meets other than just to have another meet before the prelims, then. Might as well just call them last chance meets and invite anyone who'll come
Conference meets are there to determine conference championships.
The qualifiers for NCAA regionals are selected for each region based strictly on time.
The qualifiers are the top 48 declared times from each region.
Once someone gets to the regional meet the path to Nationals is strictly elimination based.
If you want the current list per region go to TFRRS.
Gotcha.
Seems a little pointless to have conference meets other than just to have another meet before the prelims, then. Might as well just call them last chance meets and invite anyone who'll come
some team celebrate their team or athlete winning their conference :)
I did read it, but still neither it nor you gave clear criteria. Are the 48 based on time alone? Who's they? By region, do you mean the regional meets or the prelim meets? What about meets like the ECAC? I can find no answers in the NCAA manuals. If conference meets are just used for times, why call them conferences or hold them at all? You might as well just have another meet that doesn't have to be regionally restricted
SMH...in your case, don't worry about it. You aren't going to regionals or NCAAs
Seems a little pointless to have conference meets other than just to have another meet before the prelims, then. Might as well just call them last chance meets and invite anyone who'll come
Conference meets are there to determine conference championships.
But do those championships affect who goes to the regional or national championships?
Seems a little pointless to have conference meets other than just to have another meet before the prelims, then. Might as well just call them last chance meets and invite anyone who'll come
some team celebrate their team or athlete winning their conference :)
Sure. I'm not saying I'm above pomp and circumstance. But some of these conferences are big and costly events. Conferences are a big deal in other sports so why not be important in track? If they don't do anything for qualifications, why call them conferences?
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