Another run across America underway - is it legit? Boots currently on the ground

Paging Asher Delmott, we need your help to safeguard America once more!

I might need Cliff Notes for this one...

Heh, what do you mean, sounds potentially witty; any questions?

Are you suggesting that we have another British transcontinental fraud?

Somebody tel Laz to put his smokes down and pack a bag. We need boots on the ground to see if this thing is legit. STAT!

Yes! Huge operation, costing around 100k, and looking to raise half a million GBP, so $612k. Funds directed at Gofundme and not the charities.

Tracker is in the van, not on him.

Guy is operating at super world class pace and it now turns out he did precisely the same thing at Jogle in 2019. The collapse on day three, but rebounds to a fantastic, rock stready pace for the rest of the run, and heart rate all at 90-120... when in all his other running he's a 130-170 man, like the rest of us.

Trying to claim the British record off the legendary Bruce Tulloh whose marvellous record has stood since 1969 and does NOT deserve to fall like this. Their van is all painted with: "fastest Englishman of all time." Do disrespectful.

+1

And Boots on the Ground!

That Fastest Englishman thing is not classy. Claim that after the event. Seems an arrogant so and so from the videos. Enough suckers falling for it though

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq7_fsuoSjy/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Here is a link to a video on his Instagram recapping the first 10 days of his run. At the end he is enjoying a good sprint on day 10. You can judge for yourself if you think a creditable and serious multiday runner chasing a British record would be sprinting like this on Day 10 after 500 miles of running.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cq7_fsuoSjy/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Here is a link to a video on his Instagram recapping the first 10 days of his run. At the end he is enjoying a good sprint on day 10. You can judge for yourself if you think a creditable and serious multiday runner chasing a British record would be sprinting like this on Day 10 after 500 miles of running.

Thanks for all of the updates.

The only bad thing is, that I can't follow and analyze another high level Trans CON scam.
I hike in some high mountains far away from it all.

It takes a village to take down guys like this. Keep up the good work, everybody!

I ran across the USA in 2011 with Steve Pope from Half Moon Bay, California to Brighton Beach, Brooklyn. I was 52 at the time and had ten recent years experience as an international athlete representing Great Britain from 2000 to 2010. I have also contributed a chapter to the book 'Across America on Foot' published in 2020 - a book that deals specifically with this challenge.

Here's an extract from my diary entry dated Tuesday 30th August 2011 - 15 days into the run somewhere between Tonopah and Ely, Nevada ".............We are mindful of Martin Ilott saying (Martin was a UK Transcon runner a few years earlier from whom we sought much advice before going) it takes 20 days to start the climb out of fatigue"

This was certainly our experience. Indeed I struggled for the first 25 days of the run until my strength really began to build up. Other runners I have spoken to also mirror this sentiment. Fatigue levels build up and up to the point where they either reach breaking point or make the runner stronger for the remainder of the challenge. So far, Goodge's ability to deal with fatigue and brush it aside is simply and utterly remarkable.

Like Steve Pope, I have my views on how this is will end so let us all observe how this intriguing tale unfolds over the next six weeks. If he claims Bruce Tulloh's English record there will inevitably be doubters. An unknown runner of limited historical ability claiming a record from one of Britain's greatest runners would rightly attract both scrutiny and scepticism.

Mindful of these doubts he should prepare to take part in a six day race some time in 2023 to thereby independently confirm and reinforce his legitimacy to the wider ultra running community.

Hi quality post. Thanks for sharing.

I just had a look at his main sponsor. What a scam that seems to be.
I think they found each other like the pot meets the kettle.

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Thanks for the post Will

It definitely needs someone to keep an eye on this.

If your chasing a record surly you would want all the information to be clear.

This run is getting more and more murky by the day.

But I guess his general Instagram followers don't know how hard this run is as long as they get a stupid clip of him sprinting every day or drinking a beer then it must be real.

thank you. A good thing that's already come out from my squeal is that his HR has promptly returned to 145 where it should be, having been at 110 for 9 days.

And of course it must remain at that now, because their excuse for 110 was that his old watch before today's must have been misfiring. But that doesn't really hold water because it looked cutting edge, worked perfectly for the first two days and went in to 110 mode at precisely the same time it did as at Jogle four years ago - around day 3.5.

Well the only other explanation for his lack of fatigue is that the products he is marketing are on a new level to what we have seen before, which is very unlikely.

I concur wity the view that he should run a 6 day race to prove his credentials. In fact, I would encourage anyone planning a point to point multiday run - whether UK end to end, US transcon or anything else - to run a 6 or 10 day race first in order to prepare yourself for your challenge.

He could just be taking EPO and testosterone, not exactly unprecedented.

He has 4 ultra races but they show a runner of meagre pedigree, which is one of the key concerns. And his Jogle is a huge red flag...

This is my current statement, as posted on the Jogle FB page:

I have had around an 85-90% support for my raising concerns about William Goodge’s [WG] 2019 Jogle and 2023 Transcon, but there are those who feel I could be accusing an innocent man who is simply running at top-class levels through America off a heart rate of 110. The criticism I have had is that wrist heart-rates "can’t be trusted", and they can throw off wild numbers. But there are vital things to say about this:

1) These wild numbers for watches are very often spikes, and will give high readings as well as low. This never happens with WG, they are only ever low.

2) The HR of WG for the other 812 runs of his Strava career behaves fine, with no visible anomalies.

3) The HR of Mr Goodge also behaves perfectly for days 1-4 at Jogle and 1&2 at Transcon.

4) If his HR is misfiring, it solely has done so for days 5-16 at Jogle [after walking day 4] and 3-12 at Transcon, where he averaged with all but no discrepancy 110 for all 22 of those days. There were no days with a “normal” heart-rate, and there were no days with a poor athletic performance. In fact, quite the opposite, his running was always high-class. His heart-rate at Jogle for days 1 & 2 was almost always 140+ and even spiked into the terrifying realms of 180+. But then after his physical collapse on days 3 and 4, he averaged 110 for the rest of the journey at a very good pace.

5) At Transcon, precisely the same thing happened. Very high heart-rate for the first two days, and then a 110hr for the next 10 days, operating at near world-class pace, which 89k in 10:51 most certainly is for a challenge of this sort.

6) To those who say, "well it's a misfiring heart-rate monitor," I would reply: There are over 100 million people on Strava, and some 50 BILLION kms logged, and nowhere, EVER, is there an example anywhere of anyone else give off readings like this. Not even for a day or so. Of course I am not talking about an easy 5k in 50 minutes, I’m talking about a distance run of substance, which requires effort and some pace.

If there is any remotely similar example on Strava of Mr Goodge's readings, let’s see it. But no example will ever be found. [ie regular 5:30ks at an HR of 105-115. Or regular days of, say, 90k in 12 hours with an HR not going over 120.]

So, with these numbers not existing ANYWHERE else on Strava, the chances of this all being true are 50 billion to one. And if we’re just going to go with his heart rate monitor is misfiring, I would reply, well it didn’t for his other 812 runs on Strava, so you are asking me to believe that it solely misfired, 22 days in a row at a chance of 812-1 each time, and both times at a high-profile Multiday, with perfect readings for the opening days. The likelihood of this quickly gets into quadrillions to one.

Thank you. WVLC 15/4/23