New TAS vide EXPOSES doping in American distance running

Yeah so I doubt that the guy who never qualified for track NCAAs or the Oly Trials has the inside scoop on ANYTHING American distance running related. Sorry not sorry

His pronunciation of Houlihan deserves a 2 year ban

But he also trained with one of the best teams in D1 and one of the best pro teams in the world.

I know who is and isn’t abusing substances on my team, I’d imagine it’s the same for most people at the collegiate level and higher. I wouldn’t be surprised if Spence could name drop exactly who is and isn’t sauced on the beasts. Maybe he wasn’t on the team long enough to really be “in on it” but again, wouldn’t surprise me.

What he says is honestly what I've heard other guys around his level say about US running.

Thyroid and other TUEs especially.

Watched it so you don't have to:

- said a drug tester who was testing Ostrander at their place casually mentioned a US athlete who had up to 40 supplements/TUEs listed on their paperwork when getting tested. He didn't give names but apparently tester did.

- says lots of athletes are "on thyroid" by which he presumably means thyroid boosting medication. Doesn't seem to know anyone who actually did, just broscience regurgitation of NOPs doc brown thyroid boosting antics without him actually mentioning NOP.

- says that word is Shelby is still doing workouts shortly after BTC and following them around but no source for that either.

- said that he saw absolutely nothing suspicious while with the beasts and has no reason to think they're anything but clean.

So really nothing beyond the anecdote about what the tester said to Allie Ostrander about someone taking 40 supplements and medications.

That and short half life drugs or microdosing. Perhaps the short half life drugs can fall under TUEs though, I don’t know exactly what can and can’t get a medical exemption

grey area doping my foot! theyre full on doping with EPO,and steroid concotions,and their sprinters and field athletes are even worse.

By abusing substances, do you mean recreational drugs, legal to grey area drugs (think BCAAs and caffeine), steroids, or “true” PEDs (i.e. designer drugs, EPO, etc)?

A fair amount of people I know take BCAAs but that’s legal; a couple take supplements that are probably ripoffs but might work, like EPO boost and testo boost, but I don’t know anyone (including ncaa qualifiers), who, that’s not a sprinter ,who actually dopes

"Hard hitting journalism" doesn't come from your mom's basement. And it doesn't come with an ad promotion in the middle.

This is mostly opinion with some personal anecdotes, but no proof of wide-spread doping.

It is a valid opinion, just not hard hitting journalism.

I’m talking drugs that are androgenic and can improve RBC, recovery time. strength and lower bodyfat %.

Drugs that are mostly illegal to take without a prescription. They are extremely easy to get especially with the new bodybuilding boom, and a lot of them you can get out of your system within a week or two.

cmon then lets get to the point, who do we think was the one taking the 48+ exemptions?

multiple olympian, so could be Chelimo, Lagat, Centro, Shalane..

If I had to bet, my money is on Chelimo

Chelimo’s not doping he’s just a good racer, not just some time trialer BU track guy

Names otherwise I don’t care.

Likes to do training camps in Kenya.

As much as I joke about his training, at least he is clean. We really never know which non-African US elites are doping. Burrito Nike girl was one thing but there definitely are others out there.

If there's one thing I can say about Spencer it's that he definitely doesn't succumb to doping to win races.

You lost me at “one of the best pro teams in the world”.

Anyone who lives in flagstaff with two eyes could tell you that

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'