The pre-moderated responses on this thread have been ridiculous, even for Letsrun standards. We don't take sexual harassment allegations seriously in this echo chamber of a forum?
Did Karen, excuse me Kara, take the " toxic environment", mental health problems, body weight harassment/ anorexia-inducing allegations against Mark Wetmore seriously?? Nope. She threw the accusers under the bus immediately by standing up for Wetmore.
What happened to "believe the accusers" in the Wetmore case ? Seems more like it's: " believed Kara!"
He did issue a denial earlier, but anything he now says could be used against him. In criminal court. Not hard to understand. He is also not dumb enough to know that he’s not going to win the social media war against an attractive accomplished woman in this age.
Good question. He was found guilty by SafeSport, and thereafter also in arbitration, and yes, he had lawyers and got to defend himself there both times. That is all public knowledge.
The saddest part is not really the trolls here but rather that Kara didn't come forward 10 - 15 years ago. That would have saved lots of athletes from that abuser.
Letsrun: She's a liar! She's an attention seeking W****! I don't believe her! She just wants money! She hates Salazar! It's her husband talking through her! Liar! LIAR!
Also Letsrun: She should have come forward 10-15 years ago. The well being of all other victims is on her selfish hands.
Kara regarding the Colorado female runners accusations against Wetmore-
" she's a liar! She's just bitter things didn't work out in her running career. Wetmore would never do those things he's a great man great coach and it was a great environment. No , we Colorado running stars do not believe her! We stand with Wetmore! "
He had his say. It was ignored without explanation. Not sure what you are getting at
My point is that you were earlier claiming that he did not get a say. Now at least you are admitting that he did.
The SafeSport arbitration process has been described to you in detail before. I won't belabor the point again, considering it still hasn't gotten through.
Is it getting a say if you get ignored?
I would say it's not.
Do you admit they disclosed no facts upon which they made their decision?
A couple of ponderings while I listen to the audiobook-Every couple years she comes out with a new allegation against Salazar. I wonder why that is? Wouldn’t one make all the allegations at once or Is she dealing with suppressed trauma that came up while writing? Like when she made the allegation about the inappropriate kiss a few years ago, wouldn’t it have made sense to also mention the inappropriate massage? Or is it something where looking back on it in 2022 she realized a line was crossed that she didn’t remember before? Also i don’t get why a coach would think he was qualified to massage a pro athlete, especially when they work for a company that can afford the best care. The massage in itself crosses a line. kara is a great athlete. I remember watching her dominate ncaa xc in tough conditions & being so impressed. She finished last at the Olympic trials in 2004 & came back in 08 to make Olympic teams in 2 events. That is so impressive & inspiring. Running Fans will buy the book Regardless but I hope the marketing for non runners doesn’t focus solely on salazar’s abuse. Kara has more to give than her experience with salazar
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He had is say. It was ignored without explanation. Not sure what you are getting at
Were you there? How do you know it was "ignored without explanation"?
They found it not credible, which implies consideration of what he said. Just because they didn't buy whatever half-assed explanation he gave for why he, as a track coach under the well-funded auspices of Nike, felt it was necessary for he himself to give a massage to his athlete and not one of the many vastly more qualified and specialized assistants on his staff, that doesn't mean they didn't consider it. They just thought it was not credible.
Unless of course you're implying that the only way to assume they did consider it was to accept it wholesale as fact. But only an idiot arguing in bad faith would do that.
What explanation did Safesport give for why Alberto was not credible but Kara was?
it is not right that safe sport is judge, jury, and executioner. they have more power over whatever their realm is than Roger Goodell has over the NFL.
Are you complaining about the concept admitting witness testimony as evidence? If so, how would/should our legal system work? Witnesses are evidence if you have enough of them and/or trust them.
It might be fair to doubt Kara specifically (though I don't) but are you questioning the whole concept of "guilty based on witness testimony and no other physical evidence" in general?
He had is say. It was ignored without explanation. Not sure what you are getting at
Were you there? How do you know it was "ignored without explanation"?
They found it not credible, which implies consideration of what he said. Just because they didn't buy whatever half-assed explanation he gave for why he, as a track coach under the well-funded auspices of Nike, felt it was necessary for he himself to give a massage to his athlete and not one of the many vastly more qualified and specialized assistants on his staff, that doesn't mean they didn't consider it. They just thought it was not credible.
Unless of course you're implying that the only way to assume they did consider it was to accept it wholesale as fact. But only an idiot arguing in bad faith would do that.
Of course, no surprise. Just wait until the rekrunnering starts here again.
Huh? If Kara felt uncomfortable in inappropriate coach-athlete situations, she has all my sympathy.
Classic anonymous letsrun misogynist, calling sexual assaults "inappropriate coach-athlete situations", further belittling them with "If Kara felt uncomfortable".
Are you complaining about the concept admitting witness testimony as evidence? If so, how would/should our legal system work? Witnesses are evidence if you have enough of them and/or trust them.
It might be fair to doubt Kara specifically (though I don't) but are you questioning the whole concept of "guilty based on witness testimony and no other physical evidence" in general?
No, just that it doesn’t constitute evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, the standard of proof in the justice system. All of the me-too jury trials that convicted did so based on the testimony of many witnesses and with more material or compelling circumstantial evidence.
Would literally pay money to read all the "This post was removed" comments. No doubt all are true and/or hilarious.
Whatever you gotta do to sell books, girl.
does kara need attention? Nope. She was one of the best runners in the us who now has a job as an announcer. when she became a whistleblower she LOST opportunities and her image took a hit.
I loled at this comment. Kara thrives on attention. What "opportunities" did she lose? Maybe her image took a hit with angry message board guys that no one cares about, but I'm sure that was more than made up for with positive reception from white knights, simps and weirdo libs (like in this thread).
I won't call her a liar, because I realize this stuff isn't easy to speak about...although I think everyone needs to admit that she could be lying.
Huh? If Kara felt uncomfortable in inappropriate coach-athlete situations, she has all my sympathy.
Classic anonymous letsrun misogynist, calling sexual assaults "inappropriate coach-athlete situations", further belittling them with "If Kara felt uncomfortable".
Who knows what exactly happened? There were only the two of them and they were pretty loving as well as emotionally charged with each other by her own written admission.
“Sexual assault” is just a legal term, just like digitally penetrating a drunk girl at a party legally constitutes rape, but it’s not the same as violent assault and submission to intercourse. Some wrongs are more wrong, while some “wrongs” are barely even wrong when they happened, only in the hindsight of the victim.
Classic anonymous letsrun misogynist, calling sexual assaults "inappropriate coach-athlete situations", further belittling them with "If Kara felt uncomfortable".
Who knows what exactly happened? There were only the two of them and they were pretty loving as well as emotionally charged with each other by her own written admission.
“Sexual assault” is just a legal term, just like digitally penetrating a drunk girl at a party legally constitutes rape, but it’s not the same as violent assault and submission to intercourse. Some wrongs are more wrong, while some “wrongs” are barely even wrong when they happened, only in the hindsight of the victim.
The Steubenville football rape case the victim was digitally penetrated and they were convicted. And they were high school kids. As an adult it's a much more serious charge. Rape is rape if not consensual if the victim was in a vulnerable position.
Who knows what exactly happened? There were only the two of them and they were pretty loving as well as emotionally charged with each other by her own written admission.
“Sexual assault” is just a legal term, just like digitally penetrating a drunk girl at a party legally constitutes rape, but it’s not the same as violent assault and submission to intercourse. Some wrongs are more wrong, while some “wrongs” are barely even wrong when they happened, only in the hindsight of the victim.
The Steubenville football rape case the victim was digitally penetrated and they were convicted. And they were high school kids. As an adult it's a much more serious charge. Rape is rape if not consensual if the victim was in a vulnerable position.
I don’t know where you live but those two scenarios are not the same in my eyes, in every man’s eyes, or in the eyes of the US justice system.
The Steubenville football rape case the victim was digitally penetrated and they were convicted. And they were high school kids. As an adult it's a much more serious charge. Rape is rape if not consensual if the victim was in a vulnerable position.
I don’t know where you live but those two scenarios are not the same in my eyes, in every man’s eyes, or in the eyes of the US justice system.
Get your eyes fixed. Harvey Weinstein was convicted for exactly that. He preyed upon vulnerable people...as did Jerry Sandusky.
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