"Sport is heartbreaking sometimes (2 points away from an ACC title with a baton knocked out of a hand by another team)"
-- Assistant coach, WHO PREPARED THE RELAY TEAM (see photo #3), blaming external factors rather than taking ownership of the issue: her runner carried the baton poorly, HIT another runner with the baton, and dropped it just a couple of strides away from an important win.
"Sport is heartbreaking sometimes (2 points away from an ACC title with a baton knocked out of a hand by another team)"
-- Assistant coach, WHO PREPARED THE RELAY TEAM (see photo #3), blaming external factors rather than taking ownership of the issue: her runner carried the baton poorly, HIT another runner with the baton, and dropped it just a couple of strides away from an important win.
I literally can't even with these millennials.
I (and others) said in the other thread that it looked like Miami knocked it. Didn't the announcer say something about that too?
"Sport is heartbreaking sometimes (2 points away from an ACC title with a baton knocked out of a hand by another team)"
-- Assistant coach, WHO PREPARED THE RELAY TEAM (see photo #3), blaming external factors rather than taking ownership of the issue: her runner carried the baton poorly, HIT another runner with the baton, and dropped it just a couple of strides away from an important win.
I literally can't even with these millennials.
I (and others) said in the other thread that it looked like Miami knocked it. Didn't the announcer say something about that too?
Sprinters have never been good with passing. They always run into each other while passing for no reason. I've never understood it but every 4x4 they rub against each other instead of passing cleanly. It's weird to me.
"Sport is heartbreaking sometimes (2 points away from an ACC title with a baton knocked out of a hand by another team)"
-- Assistant coach, WHO PREPARED THE RELAY TEAM (see photo #3), blaming external factors rather than taking ownership of the issue: her runner carried the baton poorly, HIT another runner with the baton, and dropped it just a couple of strides away from an important win.
I literally can't even with these millennials.
It must be nice to sit at home and criticize what happened and throw blame on a coach. I had a lead off runner put down his baton to dry his hands, get into the start position and go at the gun. The baton was still on the ground. As the saying goes sh** happens sometimes. I bet that anchor will never drop the baton again.
I (and others) said in the other thread that it looked like Miami knocked it. Didn't the announcer say something about that too?
Everyone who isn't connected to Duke agreed that the Duke runner was weirdly holding the baton like a sword (right at the end), and knocked it against the Miami runner's hip, losing her grip.
How do you even "knock" a baton with your hip, while running where you have every right to be running, passing completely within lane 2? (Note that the Duke anchor was running out on the lane 1-2 line for some reason.)
It must be nice to sit at home and criticize what happened and throw blame on a coach. I had a lead off runner put down his baton to dry his hands, get into the start position and go at the gun. The baton was still on the ground. As the saying goes sh** happens sometimes. I bet that anchor will never drop the baton again.
You don't get it.
I'm not saying it is all the coach's fault (although they are part of it).
I am saying that it is trash to blame another runner for your own runner's error.
If she doesn't think Duke had any responsibility, why do you think the anchor will ever do anything differently?
The opposing relay runner did knock it out of her hand on her backswing, so she is correct. However, she had moved into the opponent's territory near lane 2 and her own Steiner like exaggerated outward arm swings caused the baton to be in place to be knocked away, so I think that they were dq'd for good reason.
Should have carried it in the left hand. Problem solved. if the coach called for a left hand carry and the athlete did not do that, it’s the athletes fault. If the coach did not specify a left hand carry, it’s the coaches fault.
The opposing relay runner did knock it out of her hand on her backswing, so she is correct. However, she had moved into the opponent's territory near lane 2 and her own Steiner like exaggerated outward arm swings caused the baton to be in place to be knocked away, so I think that they were dq'd for good reason.
LOL. They were DQed for not carrying the baton across the line, simple as that.
How do you think that Miami "knocked" the baton? By thrusting her hip to the left??? She certainly didn't touch it with her hand or arm. Duke, carrying it like a chopstick, hit it into her competition's hip and dropped it.
Hey. If you walk by someone, hit your hand and coffee cup into their side and spill it, do you say that THEY knocked it?
Maybe this is a generational thing. In my world, the person hitting another with an object is the one doing the "knocking." But I'm over 30 and perhaps we think differently about responsibility.
The opposing relay runner did knock it out of her hand on her backswing, so she is correct. However, she had moved into the opponent's territory near lane 2 and her own Steiner like exaggerated outward arm swings caused the baton to be in place to be knocked away, so I think that they were dq'd for good reason.
LOL. They were DQed for not carrying the baton across the line, simple as that.
How do you think that Miami "knocked" the baton? By thrusting her hip to the left??? She certainly didn't touch it with her hand or arm. Duke, carrying it like a chopstick, hit it into her competition's hip and dropped it.
Hey. If you walk by someone, hit your hand and coffee cup into their side and spill it, do you say that THEY knocked it?
Maybe this is a generational thing. In my world, the person hitting another with an object is the one doing the "knocking." But I'm over 30 and perhaps we think differently about responsibility.
This is a post from the volunteer assistant. She is likely training and working out with these women with probably little instructional coaching. Mark Mueller is in charge of these women and has done no doubt a good job with them as he has with any other athlete he has coached. Sh** happens, that’s it. You could race that one 100 more times and duke probably wins it 99 times.
You could race that one 100 more times and duke probably wins it 99 times.
Not true.
The Duke anchor lost the baton, and the race, because she wasn't able to stay in lane one.
Runners who have a tendency to drift from the first lane to the second lane do it in most races, not just in one race.
Out of your 100 theoretical races, she would have drifted into lane two on most of them and had the baton knocked out of her hand on at least some of them.
The bottom line is that she needs to learn her lesson and develop better habits.
The opposing relay runner did knock it out of her hand on her backswing, so she is correct. However, she had moved into the opponent's territory near lane 2 and her own Steiner like exaggerated outward arm swings caused the baton to be in place to be knocked away, so I think that they were dq'd for good reason.
How do you think that Miami "knocked" the baton? By thrusting her hip to the left??? She certainly didn't touch it with her hand or arm. Duke, carrying it like a chopstick, hit it into her competition's hip and dropped it.
I think a lot of people thought Miami passed too close and caused the drop. I watched it a few times and couldn't really tell because it was all happening so fast. I can see how it felt that way in the heat of the moment to the runner who dropped it (or got bumped).
Honestly, if there was no DQ, that means smarter people than me looked at it and said it was a clean pass. Duke can own that and move on. But to think they are crazy for thinking it was cause by a bad pass is not fair either...
I think a lot of people thought Miami passed too close and caused the drop. I watched it a few times and couldn't really tell because it was all happening so fast. I can see how it felt that way in the heat of the moment to the runner who dropped it (or got bumped).
Honestly, if there was no DQ, that means smarter people than me looked at it and said it was a clean pass. Duke can own that and move on. But to think they are crazy for thinking it was cause by a bad pass is not fair either...
ROTFLMAO.
How can you be "passing too close" when you are fully in lane 2??
It is NOT the passing runner's job to move over when someone doesn't hold their line.
Anyway, nobody is saying they shouldn't think it was a bad pass. The issues is going on social media talking about how another runner "knocked the baton out of your hand" when that simply isn't true. (If it were actually true, it would have been a DQ against Miami. It wasn't.)
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The opposing relay runner did knock it out of her hand on her backswing, so she is correct. However, she had moved into the opponent's territory near lane 2 and her own Steiner like exaggerated outward arm swings caused the baton to be in place to be knocked away, so I think that they were dq'd for good reason.
LOL. They were DQed for not carrying the baton across the line, simple as that.
How do you think that Miami "knocked" the baton? By thrusting her hip to the left??? She certainly didn't touch it with her hand or arm. Duke, carrying it like a chopstick, hit it into her competition's hip and dropped it.
Hey. If you walk by someone, hit your hand and coffee cup into their side and spill it, do you say that THEY knocked it?
Maybe this is a generational thing. In my world, the person hitting another with an object is the one doing the "knocking." But I'm over 30 and perhaps we think differently about responsibility.
Problem not solved. Anchor runner runs with baton in left hand, but is heading for the finish line in 2nd place and has to swing out to try and pass in lane 2. Opps, suddenly the baton IS in the left hand, but now subject to being jostled or hit by the lane 1 runner's right hand. Either hand, either way, hang on to the baton!
I (and others) said in the other thread that it looked like Miami knocked it. Didn't the announcer say something about that too?
Sprinters have never been good with passing. They always run into each other while passing for no reason. I've never understood it but every 4x4 they rub against each other instead of passing cleanly. It's weird to me.
So who are better?
Distance runners, who run half the speed? Who arent in a ruckus?
Ever seen when 16 sprinters are trying to occupy 8 lanes in a 4 X 100, all going around 25 mph?
I think you just have never run fast enough to understand.
The opposing relay runner did knock it out of her hand on her backswing, so she is correct. However, she had moved into the opponent's territory near lane 2 and her own Steiner like exaggerated outward arm swings caused the baton to be in place to be knocked away, so I think that they were dq'd for good reason.
Quit lying. The replays show that Duke hit the Miami girl's arm on the downswing with the stick, period, end of story.
And don't bring Abby into this. She has an outswing but knows how to hold a baton properly. Any video of her in relays shows this.
To highlight this idiocy of "sword-carrying" the baton even further, check out Texas A&M and their same mistake at SEC's an hour later.
I was watching the ACC live and the moment I saw the McGinnis girl swinging that stick around like she was swatting a bug, I saw trouble. Sure enough....
Everyone who isn't connected to Duke agreed that the Duke runner was weirdly holding the baton like a sword (right at the end), and knocked it against the Miami runner's hip, losing her grip.
How do you even "knock" a baton with your hip, while running where you have every right to be running, passing completely within lane 2? (Note that the Duke anchor was running out on the lane 1-2 line for some reason.)
It was 100% Duke's fault, given all the variables at hand including merely needing to finish the race given Virginia Tech's lousy time in a prior heat.
I'm actually impressed that the assistant coach made a positive Instagram post. We had heard nothing except the Duke coaches were ranting at meet officials and everyone else. Those girls live on Instagram. They savor fluff like that. I didn't look at the names but I don't doubt that everybody on the team was liking it and commenting, well with the exception of Frias who undoubtedly already knew she was leaving.
Yes, the Duke party line is Miami knocked it out. There are local party lines all over the place, depending on bias. For example, if you check sports media from Spain in the aftermath of Istanbul all they were talking about is that the athletics world had totally disgraced itself by celebrating the men's 60 hurdles victory instead of everyone in that race immediately rushing back to Llopis.
This is what astonished me...the SEC relays were far worse. Technique and everything else. I didn't watch them until 2 days later. Is anybody going to make it to the finish line? There were fewer calamities in that Depths of Hell relay than 2023 SEC relays. From memory the most incompetent of all was the Texas A&M runner who lost the baton. Exponentially worse than Duke. She was swinging it around like her life expectancy depended on losing the baton.
To highlight this idiocy of "sword-carrying" the baton even further, check out Texas A&M and their same mistake at SEC's an hour later.
I was watching the ACC live and the moment I saw the McGinnis girl swinging that stick around like she was swatting a bug, I saw trouble. Sure enough....
Oh jeez I just emphasized the same thing before seeing your post. That Texas A&M example is the worst I've ever seen
Everyone who isn't connected to Duke agreed that the Duke runner was weirdly holding the baton like a sword (right at the end), and knocked it against the Miami runner's hip, losing her grip.
How do you even "knock" a baton with your hip, while running where you have every right to be running, passing completely within lane 2? (Note that the Duke anchor was running out on the lane 1-2 line for some reason.)
It was 100% Duke's fault, given all the variables at hand including merely needing to finish the race given Virginia Tech's lousy time in a prior heat.
I'm actually impressed that the assistant coach made a positive Instagram post. We had heard nothing except the Duke coaches were ranting at meet officials and everyone else. Those girls live on Instagram. They savor fluff like that. I didn't look at the names but I don't doubt that everybody on the team was liking it and commenting, well with the exception of Frias who undoubtedly already knew she was leaving.
Yes, the Duke party line is Miami knocked it out. There are local party lines all over the place, depending on bias. For example, if you check sports media from Spain in the aftermath of Istanbul all they were talking about is that the athletics world had totally disgraced itself by celebrating the men's 60 hurdles victory instead of everyone in that race immediately rushing back to Llopis.
This is what astonished me...the SEC relays were far worse. Technique and everything else. I didn't watch them until 2 days later. Is anybody going to make it to the finish line? There were fewer calamities in that Depths of Hell relay than 2023 SEC relays. From memory the most incompetent of all was the Texas A&M runner who lost the baton. Exponentially worse than Duke. She was swinging it around like her life expectancy depended on losing the baton.
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