Outside online has an interesting article out that asks, "Double threshold days and lactate meters have propelled Jakob Ingebrigtsen and others to the top. Should the rest of us follow suit?"
The aim of the present study was to describe a novel training model based on lactate-guided threshold interval training (LGTIT) within a high-volume, low-intensity approach, which characterizes the training pattern in some wo...
That also builds on Bakken's training which he talked about on his website and was extensively talked about here in the early days of LetsRun:
mariusbakken.com
The Norwegian model of lactate threshold training and lactate controlled approach to training. A look at some of the concepts, history, and keys to improvement. I wrote most of the articles found…
I've not read the paper yet, but for those of us without lactate meters - is there a decent pace related estimate for that perfect mmol range?! When I run threshold I aim for my 10 mile kind of pace (i.e., pace I can run for about an hour). Sounds like maybe it should be a bit less taxing than that?
I've not read the paper yet, but for those of us without lactate meters - is there a decent pace related estimate for that perfect mmol range?! When I run threshold I aim for my 10 mile kind of pace (i.e., pace I can run for about an hour). Sounds like maybe it should be a bit less taxing than that?
"the authors of this article have observed international level distance runners showing 20–25 × 400 m in 64 s average recovering 30 s between repetitions (13:20 (min:s) pace for 5000 m and 26:40 (min:s) for 10,000 m) and 20 × 400 m in 62 s average recovering 60 s between repetitions (12:55 (min:s) pace for 5000 m and, therefore, much faster than half-marathon pace), with [BLa] remaining below 4 mmol·L−1."
So 400m at 5km pace.
"It has been reported that the Ingebrigtsen brothers conducted LGTIT over distances from 2000 m to 3000 m at close to half-marathon pace as well as over distances from 400 m to 1000 m at paces between 5000 m and 10,000 m race paces."
With that in mind though, I would suggest the paces that the elites are running at DON'T translate to your hobby jogger, because the elites have much better lactate clearance.
Outside online has an interesting article out that asks, "Double threshold days and lactate meters have propelled Jakob Ingebrigtsen and others to the top. Should the rest of us follow suit?"
I remember he used to post about what he was experimenting with back in the day and getting a lot of heat from other Euro coaches/athletes.
One i remember him posting about was he was experimenting with pushing his Aerobic threshold to the max, but couldnt remember if he layed out the specifics for that change or just said it in passing
I run double thresholds, and have a friend on a different team who does double thresholds sometimes.
For me, it's typically 4-6 miles steady (around MP) followed by threshold k's in the afternoon. for him, he'll sometimes do a 6-8 mile steady the day before, followed by the standard 5x1mile sub threshold-ish and 10x800 sub threshold
Im nerdy enough of a runner that I do like to read the details of the elite and how they train. I have also been doing this long enough to know better than to translate how the super elite train, to myself.
Too often what people do is that they read the training log of an elite runners, cherry pick a few key workouts, then try to duplicate those while they ignore all the other stuff that lead up to those key workouts.
Also Olympic level athletes arent just that level because they train a certain way, they are extremely gifted individuals that would respond well to just about any structured training system.
Did Bekele do double thresholds? And if the answer is no, how much faster (or slower) would he be if he did?
I get a kick out of this double threshold craze on Letsrun, there's a new thread or two appearing daily. Kind of reminds me of the minimalism craze back in the day.
Outside online has an interesting article out that asks, "Double threshold days and lactate meters have propelled Jakob Ingebrigtsen and others to the top. Should the rest of us follow suit?"
You are correct. This type of training methodology has been around for a while. I trained in the 80's in Boulder and used a Dellinger model for distance training and racing. Repeat miles, sustained runs, and intervals(road and track), all just under threshold(5k-10k pace) allowed for better recovery(especially at altitude). Plus long easy Sunday runs every 2 weeks for me then. Much has changed since then in how the science has helped understand the training effect better and how to measure things like threshold levels (lactate devices etc). Also shoe technology(i.e.; super shoes) are faster then their predecessors and allow for better recovery between races and workouts (from what I have read). Interestingly, even Parker Valby's "fitness is fitness" comment about her cross training machine workouts still gets to the core issues. Creating a strong endurance base and then raising a runners AT through threshold training.
The good news is that all of this "new tech" in training, nutrition and shoes is making for amazing racing results. It is also an exciting time for American middle and distance runners too for both Men and Women athletes who are turning out big results with coaches who are using these better and smarter training methods.
