Cole Hocker - Time To Worry?

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1 month ago 02/07/2023 10:12am EST

No, it is not "time to worry" but...

I am curious if others are also feeling a strange sense of "unfounded worry" about Cole Hocker? He is one of my favorite runners. He is a multiple-time national champion, 3:50 miler, and managed a strong 6th at the Olympics. He can't actually be injured now because he just ran a 3000m in 7:51 (to win the race) and even finished last season with a 3:50 at the 5th Avenue Mile. There is no reason to worry, right?

If that is the case, why am I nervous about his coming year?

What does Hocker need to run this weekend to change the perception that something is up? And what time/outcome would be "good yet still worrisome" to you?

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1 month ago 02/07/2023 10:18am EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

He just needs to compete. If he is battling for the win at the end, I think it’s a good sign

1 month ago 02/07/2023 10:28am EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

There is no “good yet still worrisome” for me, or maybe it’s a question of semantics. I’m hesitant to slap times on what would mean a positive/disappointing result since I don’t know how the race will unfold.

It seems like an odd time to start to worry, since his season effectively hasn’t even started yet. At the very least save it until after Millrose.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 10:32am EST

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
It seems like an odd time to start to worry, since his season effectively hasn’t even started yet. At the very least save it until after Millrose.

The season doesn't begin until after May 1.

Act like you've been there before.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 10:42am EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

I guess I agree with all you guys. My brain knows you are right, but the feeling is still lingering that something is up.

a) if he runs "fast" but isn't really in the mix on the last lap, that would feel off for him (considering his kick).

b) if he wins but runs another "slow" time, that would be fine. But "fine" feels off for an athlete of his caliber. After Woody and Nuguse a few weeks ago, it looks like the rest of his peers are doing better than just fine.

Anyway, I hope he crushes it and does well and that 2023 looks a lot like 2021 for him.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 11:07am EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

If Hocker isn't at least 3:53 then I think there's some concern. It's still a good time, but it shows he's not improving. If he's not 3:53 then it means he's 3:54 or slower. There are a lot of people coming up the ranks who are 3:54-3:56, if he can't separate himself from that crowd of people then his odds of making any world teams isn't great.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 11:40am EST

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
It seems like an odd time to start to worry, since his season effectively hasn’t even started yet. At the very least save it until after Millrose.
The season doesn't begin until after May 1.
Act like you've been there before.

Except that World athletics using rankings gives a ton of meaning to these "preseason" meets. An athlete could theoretically race a ton indoors and skip all outdoor meets before USAs and easily make the team.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 11:41am EST

re: Hot Takes

Hot Takes wrote:
If Hocker isn't at least 3:53 then I think there's some concern. It's still a good time, but it shows he's not improving. If he's not 3:53 then it means he's 3:54 or slower. There are a lot of people coming up the ranks who are 3:54-3:56, if he can't separate himself from that crowd of people then his odds of making any world teams isn't great.

You want to know why Adidas is getting it's money's worth out of Kessler? They could care less if he wins s-i- right now. He has generated over 50 posts on one mostly negative thread..Hocker..8?

1 month ago 02/07/2023 11:45am EST

re: king999

Never trust a man who sports a man bun.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 11:59am EST

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
It seems like an odd time to start to worry, since his season effectively hasn’t even started yet. At the very least save it until after Millrose.
The season doesn't begin until after May 1.
Act like you've been there before.

This. Indoor does not matter (sorry).

I would be surprised if he raced seriously at all indoors.

This conversation can start July 9th.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 12:02pm EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
I guess I agree with all you guys. My brain knows you are right, but the feeling is still lingering that something is up.
a) if he runs "fast" but isn't really in the mix on the last lap, that would feel off for him (considering his kick).
b) if he wins but runs another "slow" time, that would be fine. But "fine" feels off for an athlete of his caliber. After Woody and Nuguse a few weeks ago, it looks like the rest of his peers are doing better than just fine.
Anyway, I hope he crushes it and does well and that 2023 looks a lot like 2021 for him.

Its February. He could run 4:30 and I wouldn't think nothing of it.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 12:13pm EST

re: king999

king999 wrote:
Hot Takes wrote:
If Hocker isn't at least 3:53 then I think there's some concern. It's still a good time, but it shows he's not improving. If he's not 3:53 then it means he's 3:54 or slower. There are a lot of people coming up the ranks who are 3:54-3:56, if he can't separate himself from that crowd of people then his odds of making any world teams isn't great.
You want to know why Adidas is getting it's money's worth out of Kessler? They could care less if he wins s-i- right now. He has generated over 50 posts on one mostly negative thread..Hocker..8?

Can you go a single thread without talking about Kessler? This has nothing to do with him or his adidas contract, keep it in the other threads.

And like Malmo said, there is nothing to worry about before the Spring season. How many times has Centro looked underwhelming in early season races before dominating at USAs. Hocker was putting together a solid season last year with multiple 3:50's, a 13:08, and a 5th place at Pre right next to Kipsang/Cheruiyot before his stress fracture. He won USAs and finished 6th at the Olympics as a 20 year old, he will be fine.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 12:29pm EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

1 month ago 02/07/2023 12:34pm EST

re: Jon Snow-man

Jon Snow-man wrote:
king999 wrote:
You want to know why Adidas is getting it's money's worth out of Kessler? They could care less if he wins s-i- right now. He has generated over 50 posts on one mostly negative thread..Hocker..8?
Can you go a single thread without talking about Kessler? This has nothing to do with him or his adidas contract, keep it in the other threads.
And like Malmo said, there is nothing to worry about before the Spring season. How many times has Centro looked underwhelming in early season races before dominating at USAs. Hocker was putting together a solid season last year with multiple 3:50's, a 13:08, and a 5th place at Pre right next to Kipsang/Cheruiyot before his stress fracture. He won USAs and finished 6th at the Olympics as a 20 year old, he will be fine.

Do you think I could give a shi-t what you say..I think it's hysterical , the hypocrisy on here..that was half the point..118 posts on Kessler being a flop and now Indoors doesn't matter..get over yourself LOL. I know what Malmo thinks ..been following him for years LOL.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 1:34pm EST

re: malmo

malmo wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
It seems like an odd time to start to worry, since his season effectively hasn’t even started yet. At the very least save it until after Millrose.
The season doesn't begin until after May 1.
Act like you've been there before.

I haven’t, though; I was a 1:56 guy in high school. There is this thing called the “indoor season,” and since I’m sure Hocker wants to perform well, if he falls well short of his expectations that could potentially be cause for some concern.

I’m not worried about him though.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 1:42pm EST

re: John Wesley Harding

John Wesley Harding wrote:
malmo wrote:
The season doesn't begin until after May 1.
Act like you've been there before.
I haven’t, though; I was a 1:56 guy in high school. There is this thing called the “indoor season,” and since I’m sure Hocker wants to perform well, if he falls well short of his expectations that could potentially be cause for some concern.
I’m not worried about him though.

I wouldn't be too sure. He is focused on preforming well this summer, not now.

His expectations could very likely be to stay healthy, train hard, and maybe hop in a few races to stay familiar with racing while not really tapering/shifting out of base work.

That is why if he ran 3:58 but is in the middle of a huge week of base training it could be a huge success for him. Anyways, it sucks for us as fans but indoor doesn't really matter.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 1:42pm EST

re: shootpost

shootpost wrote:
malmo wrote:
The season doesn't begin until after May 1.
Act like you've been there before.
This. Indoor does not matter (sorry).
I would be surprised if he raced seriously at all indoors.
This conversation can start July 9th.

What a great sport we have, where we need to wait another 5 months to converse about it.

Guess I'll have to make do with threads about transgenderism and songs from the 1980s until then

1 month ago 02/07/2023 1:44pm EST

re: Sub-elite pollster

Sub-elite pollster wrote:
shootpost wrote:
This. Indoor does not matter (sorry).
I would be surprised if he raced seriously at all indoors.
This conversation can start July 9th.
What a great sport we have, where we need to wait another 5 months to converse about it.
Guess I'll have to make do with threads about transgenderism and songs from the 1980s until then

I mean it sucks but yeah that is the nature sport.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 1:47pm EST

re: Ruxton Towers XC

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:
b) if he wins but runs another "slow" time, that would be fine. But "fine" feels off for an athlete of his caliber. After Woody and Nuguse a few weeks ago, it looks like the rest of his peers are doing better than just fine.

This is funny. If he wins he will have beaten Nuguse, not to mention Hoare and Garcia Romo.

1 month ago 02/07/2023 1:51pm EST

re: shootpost

shootpost wrote:
Sub-elite pollster wrote:
What a great sport we have, where we need to wait another 5 months to converse about it.
Guess I'll have to make do with threads about transgenderism and songs from the 1980s until then
I mean it sucks but yeah that is the nature sport.

No, it’s not. Sub-elite is spot-on with his sarcasm. It’s ridiculous to say we can’t discuss this until after USAs. Speculation/analysis/predictions fuels a lot of the popularity of other sports, and it’s fun in running too.

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