Hobbs Kessler? Not impressed.

I think it's coach Ron. He overtrains his runners. Same thing happened with Webb.

Don’t think it’s even this. I just think his training is far too aerobic based and he doesn’t do enough speed to be a good miler. Now, it is February, so who cares, but you never see VNTC doing speed or lactate resistance work in their videos.

Everyone on this thread is an idiot.

He ran a 3k at 4:07 mile pace the other day, if he had been running 4:05-10s all season I'd be worried. But a 2:20, 3:57 with a nice close, and 7:39 show he's been doing well. Short term memory here

Maybe he thought it was the 3k

This is funny

He got out soft and started in the back. Probably realized he f***ed up as the top group was pulling away and then just gave up mentally. He’s obviously better than what he showed today. Just a bad day.

Honestly. I love Ron. But all of those guys are running a little less than they should. Hobbs should have been at NAU FOR two years. enough said. For many reasons. hope he finds a new situation soon

Maybe he should have stayed at NAU enjoyed college for a few years trained with their great runners there. Right now they have runners running faster than him getting a college degree, not just running as a full time pro. He would have time to develop not having constant pressure and cristism no matter what he does. Just food for thought.

I disagree. To me, Kessler and Drew Hunter are good examples of why top high school runners should take any contract money offered, as there's no guarantee that they'll be running well even the following year after leaving high school. It might be different now with NIL deals though. He could have trained with Mike Smith and the NAU guys, but I think a lot of people would be saying it was a mistake to leave the coach who trained him to a 3:34 in HS if it didn't work out.

Similar thing happened to Heppenstall last week - got out at the back and never got into the race, so lost it mentally at the end (4.15!!) Hobbes, like Heppenstall did today at Camel city, needs to realize there is a pacer and it is indoors so no wind. So get up towards the front and hang on - test your fitness as if you have nothing to lose and everything to gain, or don't race. Just because Jakob can start at the back (when he moves he does so very quickly, as did Mo Farah in his day) doesn't mean that Hobbes can at the moment. No doubt that Sam Tanner was rocking (so the 3.52 that was required to win), but Hobbes was too far back to latch onto the breakaway. Kid is still paying his dues and learning how to race.

8 guys sub 4 @ Washington

3 guys sub 4 @ Harvard

Something's not working when you PW.

He got sick this week is what his agent told us.

I wouldn't blame Warhurst on Webb. What about Nick Willis? Such a short career.

He ran 8:39 last week. Amazing time for a 19 year old

Bummer but getting sick happens when you're overtraining. Maybe should have taken the week off and rested.

Oh my gosh, it’s the end of the world. Can’t be a bad day, illness or injury! His career is over. What a judgmental lot! LetsRun Forums. One bad day and a career ends. I mean look at Woody Kincaid! Oh wait....

This would make sense. He got out too slow and just didn’t really do much from there.

He’ll be fine in the long run, but he definitely wasn’t himself tonight.

He looked like a certain 75 year old man training under Ritz in super shoes (although not as explosive according to my cousin Gomez). Still looking forward to their showdown.

I wondered if he may be sick as well. From the interview after last week, he was itching to not just run faster than 3:57 (which he has done three years in a row), but to blow that time out of the water.

So, when he came through halfway somewhere right around 3:57 pace and realized he'd have to give a collapse-at-the-finish effort to even come close to 3:57... I think he gave up on the race mentally. That's my take, at least. And putting aside any debates about the merit of giving up in a race, it probably gives him a better chance at running fast later this indoor season if he can recover from this one more quickly. I know I have put myself in a deeper hole for a couple weeks giving a total effort when I was fighting illness.