This wasn't the question, but I found it interesting: the age 11 girls' 100m record (11.75, Payton Payne) is faster than the age 11 boys' record (11.86, Nyckoles Harbor). Granted, Payton Payne had a 1.6 tailwind compared to Harbor's 0.1.
I've found one: Leslie Maxie - Mills HS, CA - 55.20 400h vs Guys school record: 59.31 400h
This is dumb considering the heights of the hurdles are different. You need to find an event that is the exact same. What is Mary Cains HS boys indoor mile record? 4:24 for her puts her ahead of most schools for guys
I've found one: Leslie Maxie - Mills HS, CA - 55.20 400h vs Guys school record: 59.31 400h
This is dumb considering the heights of the hurdles are different. You need to find an event that is the exact same. What is Mary Cains HS boys indoor mile record? 4:24 for her puts her ahead of most schools for guys
Bronxville's indoor mile record 4:09.12 from Alex Rizzo when he won Millrose, his twin brother ran 4:12.89
I'm pretty sure the girls' junior Mountain Marathon record at Kenai Central HS is better than the boys', though that isn't the case for any of the track records.
There are certinaly some girls much faster than the best boys from other schools. But having a girl better than any boy ever from the same school?
Statistically speaking, it would be incredibly unlikely for this to happen. The odds of one of the best girls in the country being at a school where there has NEVER been just one boy better than her are incredibly small.
Just for an example, lets consider the 1 Mile/1600m in Ohio. There are roughly 1,360 high schools in Ohio.
There are ~30 girls ~25 different schools (yes some schools have more than one sub 4:50 girl) who have ran under 4:50 in the 1600m in Ohio history.
Out of those 1,360 high schools, how many have ever had boys and girls track and field teams? Let's say 1,000 to make things easy (it actually may be less, sadly)
Out of those 1,000 schools, how many of them have boys 1600m school records at 4:50 or slower? Honestly, I have no idea. But there were close to 1,000 boys in Ohio in 2022 alone who ran 4:50 or faster. Let's be generous (in my opinion) and say that 100 of those 1,000 schools have boys school records at 4:50 or slower.
25/1000 is 2.5% 100/1000 is 10%
If it was purely random odds, the odds of having a sub 4:50 girl at a high school with a boys school record of 4:50 or slower is 0.25%. Or 1/400.
But it's not purely random. The high schools with great girls athlets typically have at least good, if not great, boys athletes as well. Private schools that are not co-ed are going to pull from the same demograhpic of students. And public schools are going to be working from the same town.
All that to say, it's incredibly unlikely this would happen. But I'm sure it's true out there somewhere and I would love to hear about it.
Molly Seidel was the only runner on her HS xc and track team when she was a freshmen. At one point the team was up to 4 people, with one of them being her sister. So whatever school Molly went to might hold this unique distinction.
Molly Seidel was the only runner on her HS xc and track team when she was a freshmen. At one point the team was up to 4 people, with one of them being her sister. So whatever school Molly went to might hold this unique distinction.
Off the limited athletic.net data, they have had a 4:41 miler. Even tinny schools are going to have the occasional guy who can run 4:40 miles off talent even if they don't train.
There are enough schools out there where I can see this happening but it is going to be very rare.
This wasn't the question, but I found it interesting: the age 11 girls' 100m record (11.75, Payton Payne) is faster than the age 11 boys' record (11.86, Nyckoles Harbor). Granted, Payton Payne had a 1.6 tailwind compared to Harbor's 0.1.
If you use a single snapshot comparison of an athletically talented girl and boy both at age 11, you just might find the usual male performance advantage diminished or absent. Because though girls and boys at 11 are the same age chronologically, in terms of physical development and maturity they're usually miles apart.
Most 11 year-old girls are well into puberty and already have undergone, or are undergoing, their big adolescent skeletal growth surge, which in females occurs near the start of puberty. Many girls at 10 and 11 are ovulating and menstruating too.
But most boys of the same calendar age are just starting puberty, or they haven't started it yet at all. What's more, boys' major adolescent growth spurt doesn't occur until the middle and end of puberty.
Age 11 is the time in life that a female athlete will have her best shot at outpacing her same-age male peers in sports like running and swimming.
From athletic.net, looks like Malibu HS’s top two girls 3200m times are faster than the best boys time — small-ish CA school with about 900 enrollment across grades 9-1
Molly Seidel was the only runner on her HS xc and track team when she was a freshmen. At one point the team was up to 4 people, with one of them being her sister. So whatever school Molly went to might hold this unique distinction.
There are certinaly some girls much faster than the best boys from other schools. But having a girl better than any boy ever from the same school?
Statistically speaking, it would be incredibly unlikely for this to happen. The odds of one of the best girls in the country being at a school where there has NEVER been just one boy better than her are incredibly small.
Just for an example, lets consider the 1 Mile/1600m in Ohio. There are roughly 1,360 high schools in Ohio.
There are ~30 girls ~25 different schools (yes some schools have more than one sub 4:50 girl) who have ran under 4:50 in the 1600m in Ohio history.
Out of those 1,360 high schools, how many have ever had boys and girls track and field teams? Let's say 1,000 to make things easy (it actually may be less, sadly)
Out of those 1,000 schools, how many of them have boys 1600m school records at 4:50 or slower? Honestly, I have no idea. But there were close to 1,000 boys in Ohio in 2022 alone who ran 4:50 or faster. Let's be generous (in my opinion) and say that 100 of those 1,000 schools have boys school records at 4:50 or slower.
25/1000 is 2.5% 100/1000 is 10%
If it was purely random odds, the odds of having a sub 4:50 girl at a high school with a boys school record of 4:50 or slower is 0.25%. Or 1/400.
But it's not purely random. The high schools with great girls athlets typically have at least good, if not great, boys athletes as well. Private schools that are not co-ed are going to pull from the same demograhpic of students. And public schools are going to be working from the same town.
All that to say, it's incredibly unlikely this would happen. But I'm sure it's true out there somewhere and I would love to hear about it.
Are we really still doing this? "Have ran?" Come on, man!
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