Supposed intersex athlete Pamela Jelimo revealed to have 3 kids. Theories?

Is it that big of a deal? Who cares...I've got more important things to worry about in life. Lol.

Not sure why you think intersex people cant have kids. You just need a uterus.

I still think Coca-Cola should pay endorsement fees to these Kenyan website

News flash, these “intersex” athletes have female reproductive organs. The issue is their bodies produce the same levels of testosterone as a male. You don’t need testis to produce testosterone. Every single women on Earth produces testosterone as well, just much small levels than men. The problem with the “intersex” women is they have a genetic disorder that produces high levels of testosterone, close to the same levels as men. They still have the same female reproductive organs. If you took off their clothes they have a regular looking vagina, uterus, ovaries, and so on. It’s amazing how ignorant the uneducated are.

"You just need a uterus" is one of the most asinine dumbing downs of pregnancy I've ever heard.

It takes more than a uterus to implant and support a pregnancy. A whole lot more.

No, that is not true. DSD intersex have a Y chromosome and undescended testes in most cases.

Beyond any technical specifics, I think most people would be fine with a person competing as a woman if they had mothered a child.

So, basically anyone married to a man is cool to compete as a woman.

The point is Op seems to think intersex athletes cant have kids, when they can. Getting hung up on the specifics seems petty and unneccessary.

This is quite some bs. Where do you think that male level of testosterone comes from in DSD athletes?

Lots of people can have kids when they can't conceive in a traditional way... surrogacy, adoption, etc ... we don't have any idea what the specifics are.

No kidding. It ain't the ovaries, folks! Testes produce the testosterone for dsd xy, xxy.

Yes, but the most logical explanation is that she is in fact not DSD especially considering no one has ever provided any evidence that she is DSD.

Because she has never been considered Intersex. She got married and gave birth to 3 kids. If you were a real track fan you would know this. Her life has been kinda public. She has a skinny frágil body. Idk where people see any signs of Intersex athlete.

Please name the specific differences/disorders of female sex development you are speaking of.

AFAIK, the only genetic condition affecting 46,XX persons with female reproductive organs that could possibly cause androgens to be so elevated that an affected individual might have "the same levels of testosterone as a male" is congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). CAH comes in two forms - classic (present in utero, often leading female babies to be born with genitals that look "virlized") and late-onset, which presents in childhood, adolescence or adulthood.

Only classic CAH in females is considered a DSD, because males with classic CAH are born with normal genitals for their sex and females with LOCAH are born with normal genitals for their sex too.

Both classic CAH and LOCAH are very serious health conditions that cause a host of problems for affected females and require heavy-duty medication and close monitoring to get their androgens and other hormones in normal range.

As with other conditions causing hyperandrogenism in females like PCOS, women and girls with CAH do not usually enjoy the sort of robust physical health and ability to achieve the tip-top physical fitness required to be a world-class international athlete competing at the highest levels. Though of course there might be rare exceptions. However, women with CAH and LOCAH do have all the usual female reproductive organs, and if they receive proper medical treatment, they can and often do conceive and bear children in the usual and customary ways.

The so-called "intersex" athletes whose participation and excellent performance in women's sports have been a bone of contention over the decades have been athletes with differences/disorders of male sex development. These athletes have the following characteristics: male sex chromosomes and male genetics; testes that produce normal or higher than normal amounts of testosterone for healthy males of their same age; other male reproductive organs such as prostates, vas deferens and seminal ducts; and functioning male androgen receptors that make them able to utilize the massive amounts of T that their testes pump out as males typically do.

None of these athletes have, as you put it, "a regular looking vagina, uterus, ovaries, and so on." Though many do have malformed, minuscule or missing penises along with empty, flattened scrotal sacs that might be regarded as outwardly resembling labia at birth. Some persons with these males DSDs who were born with their penises entirely missing might also have very shallow, blind-ending internal skin pouches that at first glance could be mistaken for vaginal openings.

Depending on the specific male DSD that these athletes have, some of the male DSD athletes who have won world championships and Olympic medals in women's sports make sperm and can father children. Former women's alpine World Cup ski champion Erik Schinegger of Austria (previously Erika) has fathered a daughter. Since the 1980s, individuals with Caster Semenya's DSD - XY 5-ARD - have been able to father children using pretty simple medical techniques to extract sperm from their testes, which is then introduced into their partners' reproductive tracts through various straightforward methods of artificial insemination (IVI, ICI, IUI).

None of what I have posted here is meant to apply to Pamela Jelimo specifically. I have no idea what Jelimo's situation is. I am simply refuting the erroneous sweeping statements about "these 'intersex' athletes" generally that sbeefyk2 made.

Ignorant and uneducated definitely describes you, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The term "intersex" is a term used by the track and field community to describe a biological male whose penis didn’t grow. Semenya and about a dozen other current or former pro runners are known to have this condition.

The only "intersex" part of them is that their EXTERNAL sex organs appear female because their penis didn't grow because of a birth defect.

ALL of these people have testes which is what produces the male levels of testosterone.

They DON'T have a uterus or ovaries.

Your post couldn't be more wrong.

Pamela Jelimo was a big sports star in Kenya. She is also widely suspected to be DSD.

If she was a 100% biological female then at some point over the decade at least one photo would have been taken of her showing her pregnant with one of her three kids. As in "See? Our superstar Kenyan runner is in fact female."

The fact that zero photos exist is very telling.

So far in this thread there are three options:

1) She's female, but there's no proof that she's female.

2) She's intersex, but there's no proof that she's intersex.

3) She's male, but that there is no proof that she's male.

Are we sure she's even human at this point? I haven't seen any proof.

The burden of proof falls on those making the claim that she is intersex.