In the year 2022, everything is justified as long as you say its for inclusivity.
Transgender men can register to compete in the male or female category, unless they are undergoing hormone treatment related to gender transition that includes testosterone or any other banned substance, in which case they must register in the male category.
I cannot wait for this whole ridiculous movement to eat itself.
Me too, but I fear will have to wait a long time. It’s very hard from a logical standpoint to tell young people that they can be any gender they want, and everyone else must go along, except on the field of play.
A lot of people on this board, and I’m sure elsewhere, would like to strike a grand bargain with the transgender movement. They want to affirm that gender isn’t entirely social construct, and can be changed for any reason, and at any time. But they want those people to stay in their biological sexual classification for athletic contests. It’s inconsistent and it isn’t going to work.
The only solution is to go back to the root of the problem, and affirm that gender and sex are the same thing. Affirm what humankind has understood for thousands of years, that men and women are separate and that human kind is permanently binary.
There should only be two categories in sport’s competition, biological male and biological female. Those not in these two categories should be allowed to compete in a special freak category, although these competitions should only be held every thirteen years on an island off the coast of Greenland.
I cannot wait for this whole ridiculous movement to eat itself.
Me too, but I fear will have to wait a long time. It’s very hard from a logical standpoint to tell young people that they can be any gender they want, and everyone else must go along, except on the field of play.
A lot of people on this board, and I’m sure elsewhere, would like to strike a grand bargain with the transgender movement. They want to affirm that gender isn’t entirely social construct, and can be changed for any reason, and at any time. But they want those people to stay in their biological sexual classification for athletic contests. It’s inconsistent and it isn’t going to work.
The only solution is to go back to the root of the problem, and affirm that gender and sex are the same thing. Affirm what humankind has understood for thousands of years, that men and women are separate and that human kind is permanently binary.
Even if the gender movement is silly in the physical world at the present time, it is already sort of a reality in cyberspace. Even on letsrun you rarely know the real identity of people here. All we really know is is how people present themselves online which is how they identify. We pretty much assume everyone is a white dude and that's sort of the default identity here. In a way these people are preparing us for a future where people can present themselves almost however they want. I would not be surprised if within a few hundred years people will be able change their physical appearance at will, or completely annonymize themselves physically like in A Scanner Darkly.
I cannot wait for this whole ridiculous movement to eat itself.
Me too, but I fear will have to wait a long time. It’s very hard from a logical standpoint to tell young people that they can be any gender they want, and everyone else must go along, except on the field of play.
A lot of people on this board, and I’m sure elsewhere, would like to strike a grand bargain with the transgender movement. They want to affirm that gender isn’t entirely social construct, and can be changed for any reason, and at any time. But they want those people to stay in their biological sexual classification for athletic contests. It’s inconsistent and it isn’t going to work.
The only solution is to go back to the root of the problem, and affirm that gender and sex are the same thing. Affirm what humankind has understood for thousands of years, that men and women are separate and that human kind is permanently binary.
I know many trans people. This is simply not how it works. Literally no one is going around “changing their gender for any reason and at any time.” Some of you would really benefit from getting out of your bubble now and then.
What about the trans transgender men? Hey the girls had decided they didn’t want to be man…. Or the trans trans trans transgender women? that’s the men that decided to be woman That decided against it then they decided to do it… are men more likely to take steroids than women? This is a factor that must matter… each transition is a dilution of the quality of dope. Eventually enough transitions is pretty much negligible for doping… that’s the secret guys…
Me too, but I fear will have to wait a long time. It’s very hard from a logical standpoint to tell young people that they can be any gender they want, and everyone else must go along, except on the field of play.
A lot of people on this board, and I’m sure elsewhere, would like to strike a grand bargain with the transgender movement. They want to affirm that gender isn’t entirely social construct, and can be changed for any reason, and at any time. But they want those people to stay in their biological sexual classification for athletic contests. It’s inconsistent and it isn’t going to work.
The only solution is to go back to the root of the problem, and affirm that gender and sex are the same thing. Affirm what humankind has understood for thousands of years, that men and women are separate and that human kind is permanently binary.
I know many trans people. This is simply not how it works. Literally no one is going around “changing their gender for any reason and at any time.” Some of you would really benefit from getting out of your bubble now and then.
You misunderstand - I am saying that we allow people to “change” their gender any time, and we’re all supposed to go along with it.
I’d say that’s a fair, reasonable way to do it. What’s the outrage? Transgender men are females taking testosterone. Why would we want them competing with women? They should compete with men and will get obliterated.
I’d say that’s a fair, reasonable way to do it. What’s the outrage? Transgender men are females taking testosterone. Why would we want them competing with women? They should compete with men and will get obliterated.
This thread isn't about being fair. It is about whining about transgender athletes. We get a dozen threads a day about it...
I’d say that’s a fair, reasonable way to do it. What’s the outrage? Transgender men are females taking testosterone. Why would we want them competing with women? They should compete with men and will get obliterated.
Because it creates a double standard, in which certain types of people are allowed to take PEDs, and others are not. This could get quite murky, especially in the Ultra world, where the margins between male and female performances narrow.
Imagine if a female as good as Courtney Dauwalter transitions and is allowed to take testosterone, would that be fair? Over 200 miles, Courtney is already better than 99.99%+ of men.
There should only be two categories in sport’s competition, biological male and biological female. Those not in these two categories should be allowed to compete in a special freak category, although these competitions should only be held every thirteen years on an island off the coast of Greenland.
So if your kid is born a hermaphrodite you just gonna call them a freak? Maybe you shouldn't have sex just in case!
I’d say that’s a fair, reasonable way to do it. What’s the outrage? Transgender men are females taking testosterone. Why would we want them competing with women? They should compete with men and will get obliterated.
Who cares. This is just a way of a race to stay relevant.
Most don't ultrarunners don't care about this race. They have a hardcore following and their less than 400 slots get filled up with a complicated lottery system. It's really easy to stay away from this.
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