Kenya's fate to be decided tomorrow. Will they be banned? Should they be?

It's tricky. You want to reward the positive behavior of catching dopers not discourage it, not just in Kenya, but in other countries.

Also, I have no doubt that the impact of Kenyan's winning over more rich powerful doper nations is partly at play.

On the other hand, they have clearly gotten away with it for way too long.

Shelby is filling out the form as I type.

I totally disagree with a ban for an entire nation for any reason, including Russia's bans for drugs and the Ukraine War. When you blanket ban an entire country, you are inevitably banning athletes who have done absolutely nothing wrong. We need to get more aggressive in going after the guilty athletes. Personally, I believe a lifetime ban for the first offense would make a lot of people think twice about using PEDs. You would risk your entire career due to one bad decision and I think most would consider it a risk that they are not willing to take.

Banning the entire nation doesnt even mean the athletes cant compete, look how many Russians were competing at Worlds and Olympics. You just compete under a neutral flag, while the banned country hopefully cleans up its act

Problem is that Kenyans can be set up for life if they can get through one season. Cherono won $150K for winning the Boston marathon. Owning just $20K puts you in the top 1% of wealth in Kenya. You need $4.4 million to get in the top 1% in the USA.

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LoL remember when Wilson Kipsang reckoned he couldn't get to a scheduled test because of a road accident, but didn't even bother to get a real photo, just Google Imaged one. That's some 8th grade level cheek. I'd let him off for that.

The ban on Russian athletes is systemic Russophobia.

This is what I think:

This one also has setup his own life too during 80s and 90s.

With money he bought studies for his dork daughter everywhere (Lycée Descartes in Rabat, Univ Paris Dauphine) and she ended to Professor at Oxford. (*)

Other Moroccan speak about him and his filthy personality.

I want the head of this kind of persons on a spike.

One week before I posted the news of Kenya ban and he became paralyzed, especially he is as he write in his wall "Directeur Technique et du Développement de la Confédération Africaine d’Athlétisme".

One year before he posted a tweet: "I'm proud that my daughter is Professor at Oxford which is the first university in the world".

At that time I asked myself, how can a person claim to be working for his country when he is proud of the product of other countries? Is this hypocrisy?

And I didn't finish, he has also his son at Harvard University. How did they 'combine" that? that's the question to ask.

I think because of their apparent very humble approach and desire to make doping a greater criminal offence, this approach may buy them some time. Unlike Russia which came to the fore with great arrogance and stupidity and continue to fall down in a very public way.

Coe and co., may just hand them a list of things to do with deadlines and fines if they don't follow through and allow them to continue to compete and perhaps may give a short suspension with that.

They have been begging not to be banned.

However, saying that, someone was saying that "very big names will be unmasked." I am not sure if that means that THAT will be the punishment more than a suspension or not. I don't know.

Also, someone else was saying that it is leaked that the powers that be already agreed to a two to three-year ban.

hmmmmm.

Kenyans have been systematically cheating since the early 80s. They’ve stolen millions of dollars from other, clean athletes. Drop the hammer on them.

I'm quite sure all Russians are currently banned because of the invasion, regardless of whether they are pacifists or not.

As for the OP's questions: they won't be banned at this point, but should. Not "just" because so many Kenyans dope, but also, as we just learned, because the AIU caught more Kenyan stars than ADAK, and ADAK kept their suspensions secret.

wouldbe ridiculous to punish kenya at least mildly doing something to curb doping and let epopia laugh at all of us.

For the sake of clean sport - yes Kenya has shown a long history of lip service to clamping down and it is high time for serious consequences

get rid of the foreign agents and coaches that enable.

Think of all the clean athletes who have been ripped off.

Until WADA can find a way to get ahead of doping, banning Kenyans only weakens meets/races. We have seen no proof that WADA, USADA or other governing bodies can stop the flood- why punish a single country as if they're the only country with rampant doping protocols?

It's also unclear if this is state sponsored ala Russia

It's in every country- the Kenyans are just a combination of better at running and at doping. Mods, feel free to remove this, but it's truth

“I want his head on a spike”. Wtf is wrong with you? Your posts have always been angry, but this reaches new heights.

And that's why a Kenya ban is unlikely. There is no Kenyaphobia, on the contrary the track pundits from England, Europe, LA and Eugene love the Kenyan elites and east Africans in general.

The tales of Kenyan training, from running 10 miles to school at altitude to eating ugali all day, are inextricably woven into decades of distance running lore. A ban would destroy the mythos and crush what's left of the sport.

At first I thought this said Kanye. Either way, it's a tragedy.

Hi shill number 371. There is no proof that other countries are doping like Kenya. There is proof, however, that there is a rampant doping culture in Kenya. 250+ doping busts demonstrate that. Again, no evidence presented that Kenyans are 'better at running and at doping'.