Two out of the only three American highschool juniors to ever break 4 minutes in the mile are now both committed to run at University of Oregon next fall. Birnbaum announced his decision today, Burns was last month.
Is this the Cole/Hocker 2.0? The ducks have been down in the ranks of the NCAA since their departure, this could be a huge turnaround for them.
The last big pickups remaining are Devan Kipyego, Aaron Sahlman, and Jaron Hartshorn, any predictions on where these guys will go?
Two out of the only three American highschool juniors to ever break 4 minutes in the mile are now both committed to run at University of Oregon next fall. Birnbaum announced his decision today, Burns was last month.
Is this the Cole/Hocker 2.0? The ducks have been down in the ranks of the NCAA since their departure, this could be a huge turnaround for them.
The last big pickups remaining are Devan Kipyego, Aaron Sahlman, and Jaron Hartshorn, any predictions on where these guys will go?
Hartshorn is really good, but why is he a remaining top 3 over several guys in Utah who beat him all year and who haven’t committed, not to mention others with better speed ratings in the rest of the country?
But to answer your question, there is a Hartshorn at BYU so I would guess Jaron Hartshorn would go there too. They might not be related and he might have other plans, but that would be my guess.
Sahlman might benefit from running with his brother at NAU and the Young twins going to Stanford avoids too much of a crowding problem, so I’d guess NAU.
Kipyego starts with a K, so I’ll guess Kentucky.
I’d give my Powerball numbers but I don’t want to share the $2B.
Two out of the only three American highschool juniors to ever break 4 minutes in the mile are now both committed to run at University of Oregon next fall. Birnbaum announced his decision today, Burns was last month.
Is this the Cole/Hocker 2.0? The ducks have been down in the ranks of the NCAA since their departure, this could be a huge turnaround for them.
The last big pickups remaining are Devan Kipyego, Aaron Sahlman, and Jaron Hartshorn, any predictions on where these guys will go?
Two out of the only three American highschool juniors to ever break 4 minutes in the mile are now both committed to run at University of Oregon next fall. Birnbaum announced his decision today, Burns was last month.
Is this the Cole/Hocker 2.0? The ducks have been down in the ranks of the NCAA since their departure, this could be a huge turnaround for them.
The last big pickups remaining are Devan Kipyego, Aaron Sahlman, and Jaron Hartshorn, any predictions on where these guys will go?
Hocker ran 4:08 as a junior. It is way more likely that these guys are merely good college runners than the best. The best college runners were normally good high school runners.
But to answer your question, there is a Hartshorn at BYU so I would guess Jaron Hartshorn would go there too. They might not be related and he might have other plans, but that would be my guess.
Sahlman might benefit from running with his brother at NAU and the Young twins going to Stanford avoids too much of a crowding problem, so I’d guess NAU.
Kipyego starts with a K, so I’ll guess Kentucky.
I’d give my Powerball numbers but I don’t want to share the $2B.
But to answer your question, there is a Hartshorn at BYU so I would guess Jaron Hartshorn would go there too. They might not be related and he might have other plans, but that would be my guess.
Sahlman might benefit from running with his brother at NAU and the Young twins going to Stanford avoids too much of a crowding problem, so I’d guess NAU.
Kipyego starts with a K, so I’ll guess Kentucky.
I’d give my Powerball numbers but I don’t want to share the $2B.
What's up with the username, pal?
I usually just push random letters for a user name. Saw it after I did and can’t edit an anonymous username. Yes, I feel like an idiot.
I'm actually super interested to see how Birnbaum does in college for two reasons:
1.) Dude won his state xc meet this year by over a minute in the big school division. No competition at all.
2.) His coach is the guy who runs the "Coaching Distance" twitter page. Unlike some other stories we've heard, I feel almost 100% confident that this guy has had really solid training plans for the last few years, all geared towards long-term development. It'll be interesting to see how Oregon differs or not.
Two out of the only three American highschool juniors to ever break 4 minutes in the mile are now both committed to run at University of Oregon next fall. Birnbaum announced his decision today, Burns was last month.
Is this the Cole/Hocker 2.0? The ducks have been down in the ranks of the NCAA since their departure, this could be a huge turnaround for them.
The last big pickups remaining are Devan Kipyego, Aaron Sahlman, and Jaron Hartshorn, any predictions on where these guys will go?
Hartshorn is really good, but why is he a remaining top 3 over several guys in Utah who beat him all year and who haven’t committed, not to mention others with better speed ratings in the rest of the country?
4:03 1600 altitude converted as a sophmore, 8:52 2 mile as a junior
Hartshorn is really good, but why is he a remaining top 3 over several guys in Utah who beat him all year and who haven’t committed, not to mention others with better speed ratings in the rest of the country?
4:03 1600 altitude converted as a sophmore, 8:52 2 mile as a junior
Ran some numbers and it looks like the earlier post is right based solely on spring 2022 track times. With conversions for similar distances but no altitude conversions, combined 1600 plus 3200 times has Hartshorn third behind Sahlman and Kipyego.
Overall list went Lex, Leo, Burns, Hansen, Caudillo, Gorze, Birnbaum, Kipyego, Shipsey, Schneider, Hartshorn.
There probably are some earlier season times I didn’t use that would tweak this.
Hocker ran 4:08 as a junior. It is way more likely that these guys are merely good college runners than the best. The best college runners were normally good high school runners.
No the best college runners are pretty much always the best HS runners. There are exceptions but they are rare. Now the difference between being the #1 guy and the #10 guy might not be much. If someone like Sherry turns out to have a better college career than say Harrison, it is something that happens. Some 4:20 kid winning NCAA? That also happens. But it is pretty rare.
Hocker ran 4:08 as a junior. It is way more likely that these guys are merely good college runners than the best. The best college runners were normally good high school runners.
No the best college runners are pretty much always the best HS runners. There are exceptions but they are rare. Now the difference between being the #1 guy and the #10 guy might not be much. If someone like Sherry turns out to have a better college career than say Harrison, it is something that happens. Some 4:20 kid winning NCAA? That also happens. But it is pretty rare.
Yeah idk what this dude was talking about. Just looking at last few 5K NCAA champs their HS times
2022 Hacker - 2nd at NXN and 2nd at Footlocker
2021 Teare - 4:00/8:41
2019 Mcdonald - 3:45/14:07, U18 National XC Champ
2018 Mcgorty - 4:03/8:45, FL runner up
2017 Fisher - 3:59/8:41, 2x FL Champ
2016 Ches - 4:02/8:39, 2x FL Champ
2015 Ches - 4:02/8:39, 2x FL Champ
Have to go back to Cam Levins in 2012 for the last non HS stud. People like Levins, and Abdi recently are the exception not the norm.
We were talking about milers though. You will get a much different perspective when you look at the 1500 and mile in the NCAA. Most were not the best high schoolers.
We were talking about milers though. You will get a much different perspective when you look at the 1500 and mile in the NCAA. Most were not the best high schoolers.
Hocker was a stud. Nuguse (4:06 miles are still fast) was a stud. Waskom ran a 4:04. Hoare and Kerr were junior studs. Murphy is slow enough to call him a nonstud. Fleet was a HS stud.
The odds of the #1 guy being the one who steps up is low. The odds of one of the studs a couple back stepping up are decent. The odds of anybody the thousand guys a half straight away back stepping up are low. But you have a lot of chances...
I haven't been following running for a long time, out of curiosity, was there this much hype around Cole or Cooper when they were signed? (I am guessing yes for the latter given his 4 minute mile, but less certain about Hocker.)
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