Appears that Ben Thomas will remain as Cole Hocker’s coach, based on the video new gen just posted looks like a new group has formed up in Eugene. All ex oregon runners: Hocker, Reed brown, Matt Wisner, Jackson Mestler, Jack Yearian, and Carter Christmas. Discus
It's not a "Eugene Pro Team." It's one professional runner training with his college buddies during a long run. The only thing they are going to be professionals at is living off of their parents for years while earning no income until they realize it's probably time to "give up the dream."
It's not a "Eugene Pro Team." It's one professional runner training with his college buddies during a long run. The only thing they are going to be professionals at is living off of their parents for years while earning no income until they realize it's probably time to "give up the dream."
who the hell is carter christman (im assuming the initial post was a typo) and why does he deserve to be in that group? You can make a decent argument for brown, mestler and maaaaybe yearian to give it a shot for a year or two, but this group is basically 1 legitimate pro, 2 half pros and some hanger ons.
It's not a "Eugene Pro Team." It's one professional runner training with his college buddies during a long run. The only thing they are going to be professionals at is living off of their parents for years while earning no income until they realize it's probably time to "give up the dream."
It's Tinman Elite pt 2
+1. This.
Carter Christman? Mestler? Wisner is barely above TAS level
I'm happy to see Brown go Pro (if this is a real team) but this is a poor move for Cole; not a decent standard team
I have a different view of this. It is a group of friends who enjoy training together and have big goals. All them can be hugely valuable in helping Hocker in training and themselves get better along the way. Hocker gets to stay in a familiar environment, with a coach who has helped him be successful, and friends and training partners invested in his success. It might not be the best thing (we won't know for a while), but he could certainly do worse.
I have a different view of this. It is a group of friends who enjoy training together and have big goals. All them can be hugely valuable in helping Hocker in training and themselves get better along the way. Hocker gets to stay in a familiar environment, with a coach who has helped him be successful, and friends and training partners invested in his success. It might not be the best thing (we won't know for a while), but he could certainly do worse.
I don't get how Ben Thomas could be satisfied/make enough money coaching this group, of which really only Hocker and maaaybe Reed Brown have any pro prospects
I have a different view of this. It is a group of friends who enjoy training together and have big goals. All them can be hugely valuable in helping Hocker in training and themselves get better along the way. Hocker gets to stay in a familiar environment, with a coach who has helped him be successful, and friends and training partners invested in his success. It might not be the best thing (we won't know for a while), but he could certainly do worse.
see: Drew Hunter
Because helping developing runners to improve post-collegiately so their "dreams become reality" isn't a good thing? Only on LRC.
I don't understand the hate here. I think its more likely that the other guys on the team are working normal jobs and are training together in their free time. And if you were a top collegian who was on the wrong side of getting a pro contract, why not give it a year or two while your still young to see if you can make something happen? I'll be interested to see if any of these guys can have a breakthrough this year.
You don’t need top tier teammates to be the best. Look at Jakob. He essentially has been training by himself the past couple years because his brothers can’t stay healthy. He just has his non runner brother or anyone pace him on the bike.
Most of the workouts especially this time of the year shouldn’t be faster than race pace stuff anyways. At least Hocker has a group that he can train with who can keep up with him in controlled efforts. I’ve heard from a couple podcast/interview’s that Teare was getting his a** kicked by Hocker in workouts.
It's not a "Eugene Pro Team." It's one professional runner training with his college buddies during a long run. The only thing they are going to be professionals at is living off of their parents for years while earning no income until they realize it's probably time to "give up the dream."
It's Tinman Elite pt 2
We will see if this is true in time. For now, the main differences:
1. Leader of the group was 6th at the olympics and ran 3:31, delivering on his H.S. potential.
2. Reed Brown hasn't declared to run for another country he's never lived in.
It's funny - everyone here complains that the U.S. is terrible in the 1500m, and here we have 3:36, 3:37, and 3:39 guys training together, right out of college, and it seems everyone here is telling them to hang it up.
It'll depend on how it plays out, but I think this is a good start. I'd prefer if Hocker had someone at Teare's level to train with, but Brown came 5th at nationals only .4 behind Teare, so it's not like Hocker will be on his own. Hopefully they plan on getting more guys in the group that are at that level, and use New Gen to build their brand.
Really, it seems like they're going the TME route, which I think could be a really good move. They're starting with more talent and a coach who's shown he can build multiple national champions. They already have a strong following through New Gen. Hocker has shown he can compete at the world level, and Brown has shown he can compete at the national level. It's like a TME with way more starting advantages. Also, as much as people hate on TME, it seems like they're really putting things together with the new coach. Drew won 5k nationals last December and ran 3:34 this summer, Parsons ran huge PBs and made a World final, Joey ran 3:57/7:47 (not a world beater, but massive improvements), and Coleman won a national title. The New Gen team has better talent and Nike money behind them, so I think they at least stand a shot.
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