You can read about it here. There are four more cases to come that we don't even know the names of, but it's possible they are the remaining athletes (like Kumari Taki) who were withdrawn last minute from the Commonwealth Games without much clarity, or other athletes whose lack of competition might seem odd/unexplaines. What's most unusual about this is this spate of positive is for a class of drug (glucocorticoid) that isn't banned out of competition (these are all in-competition busts). It also is not something that Kenyans or other athletes tested positive for much until 2021-22. And now it looks like it will take out 10 athletes in under 2 years, all Kenyans. Would like to know more from someone who knows more about the substance, but these seem like pretty needlessly dumb busts. Even if these substances do help, unless an athlete has a TUE they will be busted for them each and every time. Hopefully whatever athlete, agent, or third party that is providing these to athletes is either caught or becomes a black sheep because there can't be any dumber form of doping than this.
AIU Bans 2 Kenyans Including Diana Kipyokei ('21 Boston Winner), Reveals Spate of Illegal Triamcinolone Acetonide (TUE) Use
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This stuff is in a bunch of skin creams. It’s also in a buccal paste for mouth sores in Kenya. My wife often gets canker sores and uses various pastes like this for the pain. As a result, I don’t kiss her after she applies these because I’m paranoid that even if the substances listed in her cream aren’t explicitly banned, they could still be ‘similar structures’ as glucocorticoids.. and I’m not a chemistry major so I just play it safe. She thinks I’m crazy… maybe I’m not.
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Surely they've caught all the bad apples now?
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Coevett wrote:
Surely they've caught all the bad apples now?
None of the above are bad apples.
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It is my understanding that there are certain forms of it that are acceptable by WADA (i.e. topical) and ones that are not (i.e. ingested/injectable).
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mouthsores wrote:
This stuff is in a bunch of skin creams. It’s also in a buccal paste for mouth sores in Kenya. My wife often gets canker sores and uses various pastes like this for the pain. As a result, I don’t kiss her after she applies these because I’m paranoid that even if the substances listed in her cream aren’t explicitly banned, they could still be ‘similar structures’ as glucocorticoids.. and I’m not a chemistry major so I just play it safe. She thinks I’m crazy… maybe I’m not.
Seems you are definitely making the right move if you are competing anytime soon.
Here's how it's described:
"Glucocorticoids are commonly used as therapeutic substances in sports, but are prohibited in-competition because, when administered via prohibited routes, there is clear evidence of systemic effects which could potentially enhance performance and be harmful to health."
FOOTNOTE: Today, glucocorticoids are prohibited in-competition when administered via
oral, rectal and all injectable routes (eg. intravenous, intramuscular, periarticular, intraarticular, peritendinous, intratendinous, epidural, intrathecal, intrabursal, intralesional, intradermal, and subcutaneous). At the time of the AAFs of Kipyokei and Lempus (and until 1 January 2022), glucocorticoids were not prohibited when administered by local injection (periarticular, intra-articular, peritendinous and intratendinous).
Did some digging and it seems that if you take this particular type it can show up to 30 days later in a competition test (which explains the spate of positives). There is also low to moderate evidence it could be performance-enhancing:51 -
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Coevett wrote:
Surely they've caught all the bad apples now?
It looks like these busts are in the CJ Ujah class of laziness/negligence leading to a ban. While this stuff may help a little performance-wise, the juice is certainly not worth the squeeze and they are completely detectable drugs only banned in competition. Is that a weird rule when you consider that it seems you could be busted for using this stuff up to 30 days before if it remains in your system? Probably. But get a TUE then... In general, athletes should be smarter than to get caught with this stuff but again we overestimate the sophistication of most of them. From what I understand, you're more concerned about the sophisticated dopers who are using EPO and carefully keeping their ABP in line throughout the year.
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disgusting!!!! wrote:
When is this going to stop? These people are flaunting their doping at will and yet kenyans are still allowed to r
Flouting
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disgusting!!!! wrote:
When is this going to stop? These people are flaunting their doping at will and yet kenyans are still allowed to race anywhere. Ethios are even more dubious since they dont even have any working anti doping agency.
Why are these countries not banned? WTF?
They keep doping and stealing money form honest people and it just keeps going.
And there are dopes that have the nerve to ask how its so amazing these Kenyans can win all these marathons...DuhhhhhHopefully for this particular substance the athletes will get the message that they should stay far, far away from it. Seems like it is widely available over-the-counter, and while not banned out of competition if you're not careful to stop taking it a month before your race, you'll get popped for it. It should be priority no. 1 for the AIU/AKAD to make this clear.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Coevett wrote:
Surely they've caught all the bad apples now?
It looks like these busts are in the CJ Ujah class of laziness/negligence leading to a ban. While this stuff may help a little performance-wise, the juice is certainly not worth the squeeze and they are completely detectable drugs only banned in competition. Is that a weird rule when you consider that it seems you could be busted for using this stuff up to 30 days before if it remains in your system? Probably. But get a TUE then... In general, athletes should be smarter than to get caught with this stuff but again we overestimate the sophistication of most of them. From what I understand, you're more concerned about the sophisticated dopers who are using EPO and carefully keeping their ABP in line throughout the year.
If they're happily injecting random stuff like this, the chances of them also using EPO is pretty high, wouldn't you agree?
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trollism wrote:
If they're happily injecting random stuff like this, the chances of them also using EPO is pretty high, wouldn't you agree?
Who's to say they're injecting it (it's banned in almost every context now)...It's also not banned except for in-competition, whereas EPO is always banned (and tested for), and surely not as easy/cheap to procure. It also doesn't seem particularly random if you can buy it in pharmacies easily.
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NOTNEW wrote:
Thanks for the share. Makes you question whether the drug should be banned OOC (it is not) without a TUE, and whether there're alternative medical remedies that should be given to athletes over this one.
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Ecords wrote:
None of the above are bad apples.
They are not? Read the link, especially:
Kipyokei’s sample was collected on 11 October 2021, following her victory in the Boston Marathon. She faces the following charges:
• Presence of a prohibited substance, namely a metabolite of triamcinolone acetonide (pursuant to Rule 2.1 ADR)
• Tampering or Attempted Tampering with any part of Doping Control (pursuant to Rule 2.5 ADR), including obstructing or delaying the AIU’s investigation through the provision of false information or documentation.Lempus’ sample was taken on 5 September 2021, after she won the Harmonie Mutuelle Semi de Paris. The French anti-doping agency (AFLD) initially cleared the athlete of an anti-doping rule violation for the presence of a metabolite of triamcinolone acetonide following the receipt of her explanation for the AAF. However, upon consultation with the AFLD, the AIU conducted an investigation into the explanation provided by Lempus which has now resulted in the following charge:
• Tampering or Attempted Tampering with any part of Doping Control (pursuant to Rule 2.5 ADR), including obstructing or delaying the AIU’s investigation through the
provision of false information or documentation.Sounds like hard-core cheating to me, even if one is to believe that they were just negligent in taking triamcinolone acetonide.
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damn. between all the drug testing and that Marathon Investigation guy- there's just no way to win a marathon anymore.
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THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
mouthsores wrote:
This stuff is in a bunch of skin creams. It’s also in a buccal paste for mouth sores in Kenya. My wife often gets canker sores and uses various pastes like this for the pain. As a result, I don’t kiss her after she applies these because I’m paranoid that even if the substances listed in her cream aren’t explicitly banned, they could still be ‘similar structures’ as glucocorticoids.. and I’m not a chemistry major so I just play it safe. She thinks I’m crazy… maybe I’m not.
Seems you are definitely making the right move if you are competing anytime soon.
Here's how it's described:
"Glucocorticoids are commonly used as therapeutic substances in sports, but are prohibited in-competition because, when administered via prohibited routes, there is clear evidence of systemic effects which could potentially enhance performance and be harmful to health."FOOTNOTE: Today, glucocorticoids are prohibited in-competition when administered via
oral, rectal and all injectable routes (eg. intravenous, intramuscular, periarticular, intraarticular, peritendinous, intratendinous, epidural, intrathecal, intrabursal, intralesional, intradermal, and subcutaneous). At the time of the AAFs of Kipyokei and Lempus (and until 1 January 2022), glucocorticoids were not prohibited when administered by local injection (periarticular, intra-articular, peritendinous and intratendinous).Did some digging and it seems that if you take this particular type it can show up to 30 days later in a competition test (which explains the spate of positives). There is also low to moderate evidence it could be performance-enhancing:
That's my question.
1) How is it performance enhancing?
I'm giving no one the benefit of the doubt but how would it help in competition?
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See Thoughtsleader's link:
short-term administration of glucocorticoids significantly improved time to exhaustion, maximal force, and total distance travelled.
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Coevett wrote:
Surely they've caught all the bad apples now?
The list of suspended:
28 Moroccans, 21 of them before 2019
34 Frenchs
22 Italians
I was surprised the young Birdaha (born 2004) was caught in 04/2022
At the time (April) I was surprised she outclassed Fatima Oufir which was my favorite.
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casual obsever wrote:
See Thoughtsleader's link:
short-term administration of glucocorticoids significantly improved time to exhaustion, maximal force, and total distance travelled.
For sure. It seems like more gray area stuff, and I'm not convinced AIU/WADA handle this stuff correctly. Like L-Caritine, or the thyroid meds as another example. It feels like there should be HEAVY scrutiny on these as TUEs, and then instead of having confusing rules about what is the legal amount to take/how it's legally taken/when it's allowed in-competition vs out-of-competition....just ban them unless you have the TUE. And make that TUE hard to get pushing alternative treatments where possible and making sure the application is actually necessary and not just a Dr. Brown type.
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