So did this kid cheat too? 16-yr-old boy beats Magnus Carlsen in 39 moves
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No.
Magnus wasn't aware of any cheating until one of his business ventures merged with chess.com.
Once aware, he's decided to make it public rather than hide it away like chess.com has done in the past (Niemann, Dlugy).
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Praggnanandhaa is #52 in the world with a rating of 2687. So its news when he beats Carlsen at 2856. Niemann is #40 at 2699 - when he beats Carlsen it's cheating. So I guess the answer is yes.
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This game was rapid chess. It is not unusual for Carlsen to lose a game or three in a rapid chess tournament and still win the tournament.
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Cheating at chess wrote:
No, that kid is worth his weight in gold.
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Until the cheating is proven, not just suspected, no one cheated.
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Awful comparison. Prag hasn’t been caught cheating in money tournaments in the past. He also isn’t coached by a cheat. Hans is coached by Maxim Dlugy, who has also admitted to cheating. Birds of a feather flock together.
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Hsususj wrote:
Until the cheating is proven, not just suspected, no one cheated.
I saw a really neat statistical breakdown that essentially proves the kid has cheated many times. Matching the best computer moves for every move in a game several times when no other grandmaster does it ever.
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hunter wheres the blow wrote:
Hsususj wrote:
Until the cheating is proven, not just suspected, no one cheated.
I saw a really neat statistical breakdown that essentially proves the kid has cheated many times. Matching the best computer moves for every move in a game several times when no other grandmaster does it ever.
"Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true. Proof is final and conclusive. Evidence is tentative."
What you claim to have seen is evidence, not proof.
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Thing Called Transposition wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
I saw a really neat statistical breakdown that essentially proves the kid has cheated many times. Matching the best computer moves for every move in a game several times when no other grandmaster does it ever.
"Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true. Proof is final and conclusive. Evidence is tentative."
What you claim to have seen is evidence, not proof.
Overwhelming evidence counts as proof though right? I’m pretty sure it does in our legal system
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Younger players have learned to think like computers. Older players can't handle this.
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Hans Niemann refutes allegations like Trump defends his "beautiful" call with Ukraine. That should tell you all you need to know.
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Thing Called Transposition wrote:
hunter wheres the blow wrote:
I saw a really neat statistical breakdown that essentially proves the kid has cheated many times. Matching the best computer moves for every move in a game several times when no other grandmaster does it ever.
"Proof is a fact that demonstrates something to be real or true. Evidence is information that might lead one to believe something to be real or true. Proof is final and conclusive. Evidence is tentative."
What you claim to have seen is evidence, not proof.
Nope.
It's proof.
No human can match the top engine move every time in an entire game.
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TO THE GILLS
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carmine9 wrote:
it's unfair to call hans niemann a cheater. he cheated as a kid while playing online. it's not fair to hold this against him. if he was somehow cheating in a live tournament, then blame the tournament organizers for not having better anti cheat detectors.
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hunter wheres the blow wrote:
Hsususj wrote:
Until the cheating is proven, not just suspected, no one cheated.
I saw a really neat statistical breakdown that essentially proves the kid has cheated many times. Matching the best computer moves for every move in a game several times when no other grandmaster does it ever.
Well I saw a really neat interview with a renowned expert on chess cheating that is often brought in by the chess federations to review these allegations and his models revealed to him that it is very unlikely that Neiman cheated when he beat Magnus.
Well?
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He's a bad loser.
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As around a 1400-1500 Classically Ranked Amateur, I've studied Praggnanandhaa's games and I can safely say that he's brilliant player with great strategy. Magnus has beaten him soundly in classical chess, but Praggnanandhaa does has a legitimate chance in rapid chess since you can't think as deeply there and you are more prone to blunders the less time you have. He still blunders sometimes but usually has a consistent gamescores indicating he isn't cheating during games, and is constantly improving. Kid should be ranked at least 2700+ based on his skill. I pick him to be future world champions.
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