While holding out Lex Young, Leo Young, Aaron Sahlman, Dev Doshi, Braden Seymour, Aaron Cantu, Guevara, and possibly Hector Martinez, if he's on the team this year, they still had seven guys run 16:19 or better, including a 16:12 win in the sophomore race. That is pretty great depth, roughly 15 guys at that level. It's not just about a couple talented brothers and a Sahlman. They make it one of the best two teams ever, but this is a team that could probably challenge for a California state title without its top three.
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xzcvcvxz wrote:
While holding out Lex Young, Leo Young, Aaron Sahlman, Dev Doshi, Braden Seymour, Aaron Cantu, Guevara, and possibly Hector Martinez, if he's on the team this year, they still had seven guys run 16:19 or better, including a 16:12 win in the sophomore race. That is pretty great depth, roughly 15 guys at that level. It's not just about a couple talented brothers and a Sahlman. They make it one of the best two teams ever, but this is a team that could probably challenge for a California state title without its top three.
Yes, nice improvement by NP’s JV guys. Nobody thought that they would do so well.
However, Great Oaks’s #8 to #14 have run between 15:11 and 15:34.
NP’s #8 man has only run 15:38 at this point, so they still have a little way to go. They do however pack well with 5 guys between 15:38 and 15:53, so they are not too far away.
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Lkakkl wrote:
xzcvcvxz wrote:
While holding out Lex Young, Leo Young, Aaron Sahlman, Dev Doshi, Braden Seymour, Aaron Cantu, Guevara, and possibly Hector Martinez, if he's on the team this year, they still had seven guys run 16:19 or better, including a 16:12 win in the sophomore race. That is pretty great depth, roughly 15 guys at that level. It's not just about a couple talented brothers and a Sahlman. They make it one of the best two teams ever, but this is a team that could probably challenge for a California state title without its top three.
Yes, nice improvement by NP’s JV guys. Nobody thought that they would do so well.
However, Great Oaks’s #8 to #14 have run between 15:11 and 15:34.
NP’s #8 man has only run 15:38 at this point, so they still have a little way to go. They do however pack well with 5 guys between 15:38 and 15:53, so they are not too far away.
Must mean that so many juniors wanted to be part of the #1 varsity team in the nation as badly as everyone else once they knew they had a spot opening up. I think that’s helpful for the future of the program.
Anyways, it’s crazy how good and deep great oak was at Woodbridge, and how they totally blew it at Bob Firman.
San Clemente seems to be a threat to them at this point since their 3-5 gap seems to be shrinking (although it’s still pretty big).
im not sold on Clovis yet. The first thing we need to see on them is how they do against real competition.
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Lkakkl wrote:
xzcvcvxz wrote:
While holding out Lex Young, Leo Young, Aaron Sahlman, Dev Doshi, Braden Seymour, Aaron Cantu, Guevara, and possibly Hector Martinez, if he's on the team this year, they still had seven guys run 16:19 or better, including a 16:12 win in the sophomore race. That is pretty great depth, roughly 15 guys at that level. It's not just about a couple talented brothers and a Sahlman. They make it one of the best two teams ever, but this is a team that could probably challenge for a California state title without its top three.
Yes, nice improvement by NP’s JV guys. Nobody thought that they would do so well.
However, Great Oaks’s #8 to #14 have run between 15:11 and 15:34.
NP’s #8 man has only run 15:38 at this point, so they still have a little way to go. They do however pack well with 5 guys between 15:38 and 15:53, so they are not too far away.
…and in 2019, Great Oak’s #8 to #14 were running between 14:42 and 15:02. They had a guy running 15:03 who was not on their B team. I don’t know if there ever was such a strong B team.
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Also, considering the fact that Great oak’s summer time trials were much, much better this year than last year, I originally thought they were going to crush Granada this year. They only lost 3 guys and added Lennox (2020 top great oak sophomore) and a Rodriguez to fill in for the people they lost. Granada only got 8th in the merge at state.
Instead, from the looks of it, it appears that Great Oak has been pretty much been getting worse every meet. So much for Cortes not leading the team. At least Lennox is leading this team, just like he was leading his class at Great Oak in 2020
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Lkakkl wrote:
Lkakkl wrote:
Yes, nice improvement by NP’s JV guys. Nobody thought that they would do so well.
However, Great Oaks’s #8 to #14 have run between 15:11 and 15:34.
NP’s #8 man has only run 15:38 at this point, so they still have a little way to go. They do however pack well with 5 guys between 15:38 and 15:53, so they are not too far away.
…and in 2019, Great Oak’s #8 to #14 were running between 14:42 and 15:02. They had a guy running 15:03 who was not on their B team. I don’t know if there ever was such a strong B team.
At state in 2019, All 7 of the Great Oak guys had a speed rating of 180 or higher. And that didn’t include Simone. This was absolutely ridiculous. I think Montez was on JV and ran a 180ish speed rating too that year once.
great oak had some chances to win NXN in 2019 but sawires-yager and verdugo were the last 2 runners just like in 2018. And Mateo Joseph/John worthy we their 1-2 in 2018 but not in 2019.
they looked so devastated at the NXN podium in 2019, losing by 4 points. This was their only goal since the 2018 meet, to win NXN in 2019.
then in 2020, Montez was their distant #1 all year
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Do you guys think that Dev Doshi will finish as a top nonsenior in this race?
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Yoshi or Noshi wrote:
Do you guys think that Dev Doshi will finish as a top nonsenior in this race?
Jason Parra?
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Lkakkl wrote:
Yoshi or Noshi wrote:
Do you guys think that Dev Doshi will finish as a top nonsenior in this race?
Jason Parra?
The sophomores that finished 10th and 18th and Woodbridge have a shot.
They are both from Northern California.
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Lkakkl wrote:
Yoshi or Noshi wrote:
Do you guys think that Dev Doshi will finish as a top nonsenior in this race?
Jason Parra?
Could be either of them. Jason Parra has a better shot.
Lots of people are coming out of nowhere actually
Dylon nalley - 14:03 3 mile as a junior. Not saying he will be in this race
Also fun fact: there are 2 really good junior Parra brothers from Texas
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oldold runner wrote:
Lkakkl wrote:
Jason Parra?
The sophomores that finished 10th and 18th and Woodbridge have a shot.
They are both from Northern California.
I forgot about Palo Atos’ junior Grant Morganfield. He also had a shot.
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Clovistion wrote:
im not sold on Clovis yet. The first thing we need to see on them is how they do against real competition.
Man, if predicting these times:
I think that the times clovis will run will be:
Caudillo - 12 - 14:42
Delgadillo - 11 - 15:14
Morales - 11 - 15:22
McNeal - 11 - 15:28
Watkins - 12 - 15:34
McGee - 12 - 15:58
Martinez - 12 - 16:55was done while not being sold on them I can't imagine what you'd predict if they did have you convinced of how good they are!
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more interesting NP questions wrote:
Awnid wrote:
another thing is, if the guy that gets the 7th spot is a junior, it will be this junior’s first AND last national team championship ever, unless they recruit 3 guys on Doshi’s level next year (maybe seniors, which is the most common grade of people that come in and score right away for NP. Like Simone, Seymour, Darley, and Golmon for example).
also, it wouldn’t be surprising if he finishes near the bottom at NXN this year, like Appleford did in 2018 and Sam McDonnell’s brother did in 2019. or, he will finish close to the 6th man like Doshi did at RunningLane last year.Tomorrow is NP's next meet, at the Marmonte league cluster. Who do you think will be the 3rd sophomore runner? How about the 4th freshman?
Anyone know who the dates were for NP's 1-4 runners at homecoming last week?
I heard there is a 3r grader in Camarillo who may go to NP and has run a 6:50 mile. Do you think he'll break 4:00 as a senior? If they get any other 3rd graders that are good, do you think they can make a run at another NXN title in 2032?
And how many class of 2024 and 2026 NP guys will go for UCLA to run for Brosnan and score for them by the time they graduate.
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Looks like it is going to be hot in Clovis this weekend, with highs of 95 on Fri and Sat.
Better tone down those time expectations just a little. Boy's championship race starts at 9:30AM, so it won't be a big factor, but I expect it to be a little bit slower conditions compared to this race in the past. I think it will difficult for the Young's to break German's record.
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WaitForMoreData wrote:
Looks like it is going to be hot in Clovis this weekend, with highs of 95 on Fri and Sat.
Better tone down those time expectations just a little. Boy's championship race starts at 9:30AM, so it won't be a big factor, but I expect it to be a little bit slower conditions compared to this race in the past. I think it will difficult for the Young's to break German's record.
Yeah I think we can just focus more on who and what teams will finish where, and ignore the times, when making predictions. Everybody will be going through the same conditions anyways.
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WaitForMoreData wrote:
Looks like it is going to be hot in Clovis this weekend, with highs of 95 on Fri and Sat.
Better tone down those time expectations just a little. Boy's championship race starts at 9:30AM, so it won't be a big factor, but I expect it to be a little bit slower conditions compared to this race in the past. I think it will difficult for the Young's to break German's record.
Eh, it should be around 74-78ish degrees when they're running, which is a little warm but still manageable. I'm pretty confident that the Youngs will break German's CR.
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So it’s oct 4 and no entries list
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WaitForMoreData wrote:
Looks like it is going to be hot in Clovis this weekend, with highs of 95 on Fri and Sat.
Better tone down those time expectations just a little. Boy's championship race starts at 9:30AM, so it won't be a big factor, but I expect it to be a little bit slower conditions compared to this race in the past. I think it will difficult for the Young's to break German's record.
If you can't race fast when it's 70 degrees then you just can't race fast.
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coachy wrote:
WaitForMoreData wrote:
Looks like it is going to be hot in Clovis this weekend, with highs of 95 on Fri and Sat.
Better tone down those time expectations just a little. Boy's championship race starts at 9:30AM, so it won't be a big factor, but I expect it to be a little bit slower conditions compared to this race in the past. I think it will difficult for the Young's to break German's record.
If you can't race fast when it's 70 degrees then you just can't race fast.
Yes, people will run fast, but that's not the point. The point is by race finish time it will be about 75 degrees, which is less optimal than 65 degrees, and will it be about 10 degrees hotter than the historical average. I stand by my prediction, "it won't be a big factor, but I expect it to be a little bit slower conditions compared to this race in the past." Hopefully I am wrong and 75 degrees is still within the highest optimal range for the runners. Weather affects people differently. 75 degrees was a little hot for me, but I loved running in the rain, and the heavier the rain the faster I ran. I doubt that's normal, but I never claimed to be normal.
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Live results are going to be here
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