Their half marathon times are 57:31 and 57:32, respectively. Stunning times to say the least. How would they fare in a complete marathon distance if they had prime Kipchoge, prime Bekele, prime Farah, Legese, Kipsang, Gremew, etc to race them?
Peak half marathon shape is much closer to peak 10k shape than marathon shape. We see this in guys like Tadese and Kamworor. both are half marathon world record holders but their marathon never reach that potential, both have world champ medals in the 10K however.
The difference between a half and a marathon is huge.
It’s not, one is 11k and the other is 21k; one is 2x more and the other is also 2x more, so just saying the difference is huge is just repeating the question.
The difference between a half and a marathon is huge.
It’s not, one is 11k and the other is 21k; one is 2x more and the other is also 2x more, so just saying the difference is huge is just repeating the question.
He is pretty clearly not talking about the actual distances between them. 10K/HM uses similar systems and does much of the same training, while HM & Marathon are very different in that respect.
It’s not, one is 11k and the other is 21k; one is 2x more and the other is also 2x more, so just saying the difference is huge is just repeating the question.
So you're telling me the difference between a marathon and 50 miles shouldn't be huge in comparison since it's less than 2x? 🤡
Who knows? The marathon's a different beast. Despite what all the Captain Hibdsight's on LRC say, nobody expected Kipchoge to be as good as he turned out to be at the marathon. He had a good 5k career but did nothing at 10k or the HM before becoming the marathon star he is. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Kiplimo never broke 2:04 in the marathon, and Kandie got schooled in his marathon debut last year. They could get to Kipchoge's level, but it's not a certainty at all.
JK - yes. Not soon, but I think it's within the realm of possibilities. I fully appreciate the differences between HM'ing and Marathoning but the ease at which he ran the sub60 Great North Run (off a slower start), how relaxed the looked dropping a 4:24 to burn off Barega, I think there's enough talent across distances and enough years that if he stays away from serious injuries, he could hammer the M WR in years to come.
Kandie - I'm not so confident. Only because I dont feel I've seen as much as I expected from him this year, following on from Gdynia & Valencia in 2020
JK - yes. Not soon, but I think it's within the realm of possibilities. I fully appreciate the differences between HM'ing and Marathoning but the ease at which he ran the sub60 Great North Run (off a slower start), how relaxed the looked dropping a 4:24 to burn off Barega, I think there's enough talent across distances and enough years that if he stays away from serious injuries, he could hammer the M WR in years to come.
Kandie - I'm not so confident. Only because I dont feel I've seen as much as I expected from him this year, following on from Gdynia & Valencia in 2020
Agreed on both counts.
There are obviously examples of great 1/2 marathon guys who couldn’t translate that success to the marathon, but it’s obviously not a rule or anything. Sammy Wanjiru was a half marathon WR holder before moving up. Patrick Makau, Wilson Kipsang and Dennis Kimetto were all half marathon studs before moving up and breaking the marathon WR. Of the 5 men who have run faster winning 10,000s than Kiplimo, 2 haven’t tried the marathon (Cheptegei and Fisher) and 3 have broken the WR or come within 2 seconds (Tergat, Gebrselassie, Bekele). I personally believe Kiplimo is a future 2:01 guy.
The difference between a half and a marathon is huge.
It’s not, one is 11k and the other is 21k; one is 2x more and the other is also 2x more, so just saying the difference is huge is just repeating the question.
Not right now. Maybe Kiplimo could in a few years, but I'd still put the odds against it. His 57:31 is pretty great, but not even close to 2:01 territory. Maybe 2:03 low territory.
It’s not, one is 11k and the other is 21k; one is 2x more and the other is also 2x more, so just saying the difference is huge is just repeating the question.
He means if you can run a really good 10k, you can run a really good half, and vice versa. Being able to run a really good half doesn't mean you can run a really good full marathon though.
The difference may be 2x for both, but the way the body handles it is completely different.
Not right now. Maybe Kiplimo could in a few years, but I'd still put the odds against it. His 57:31 is pretty great, but not even close to 2:01 territory. Maybe 2:03 low territory.
If Kiplimo shows promise in his first couple of marathons, I think he or any of several sub-2:04 guys could break the WR w/in a decade, but not without two crucial elements:
1) 5+ years of extreme focus and dedication to the craft.
2) Massive support from a commercial entity to provide the same benefit that Kipchoge received, meaning a Breaking2/INEOS-like event to first achieve an “assisted” sub-2 before eventually hitting the mark in competition.
Their half marathon times are 57:31 and 57:32, respectively. Stunning times to say the least. How would they fare in a complete marathon distance if they had prime Kipchoge, prime Bekele, prime Farah, Legese, Kipsang, Gremew, etc to race them?
If all those guys got thrown in a race together the race would turn tactical and they would come nowhere near the WR. The formula for the last few WRs seem to be basically 1-2 guys with a legitimate chance and rabbits that go at least 25-30K with the eventual winner
Their half marathon times are 57:31 and 57:32, respectively. Stunning times to say the least. How would they fare in a complete marathon distance if they had prime Kipchoge, prime Bekele, prime Farah, Legese, Kipsang, Gremew, etc to race them?
Why is Farah included in this list? He was never great at the marathon distance.
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