I doubted Steve Magness a bit when the NOP allegations came out, but ten years on he has two very interesting podcasts that I enjoy listening to, whereas Alberto is irrelevant and rightfully so according to most. Anybody else a bit regretful that their original judgment was so bad?
-
3128
-
Not at all. I don’t jump to conclusions the way you apparently do. I still don’t make conclusions about this in relation to Magness. There is no war either. You have shown poor judgment. What makes you think your current judgment is any better?
1437 -
Both completely out of running. I would take what salazar did at Nop over what Magness did at UH.
4619 -
In hindsight wrote:
I doubted Steve Magness a bit when the NOP allegations came out, but ten years on he has two very interesting podcasts that I enjoy listening to, whereas Alberto is irrelevant and rightfully so according to most. Anybody else a bit regretful that their original judgment was so bad?
"The only person found to have been administered an L-carnitine infusion at above WADA’s permissible limits was Magness, an Assistant Coach at the NOP."
Then, he got fired and turned into a revengeful whistleblower.
3518 -
What podcasts?
54 -
Jean Duffy wrote:
Both completely out of running. I would take what salazar did at Nop over what Magness did at UH.
Banned for life for sexual assault?
377 -
In hindsight wrote:
I doubted Steve Magness a bit when the NOP allegations came out, but ten years on he has two very interesting podcasts that I enjoy listening to, whereas Alberto is irrelevant and rightfully so according to most. Anybody else a bit regretful that their original judgment was so bad?
What was Magness' role in the L-Carnitine injection fiasco? Has he ever admitted his own guilt?
310 -
Nike shills notwithstanding, Magness was courageous in bucking the powers that be. You have to respect whistleblowers even if you don't like them. He was a guinea pig for Salazar's gray line testing, that's how he was injected above limits on l-carnitine, as a retired athlete, and reported that he was much faster with higher doses. That was per Al Sal.
497 -
zxcvvcx wrote:
Nike shills notwithstanding, Magness was courageous in bucking the powers that be. You have to respect whistleblowers even if you don't like them. He was a guinea pig for Salazar's gray line testing, that's how he was injected above limits on l-carnitine, as a retired athlete, and reported that he was much faster with higher doses. That was per Al Sal.
Sorry, I'm not buying that. I trust Salazar more than Magness. Salazar was something else as a runner. Magness, a comparitive nobody.
Who was using who? Magness was young and ambitious and a wannabe guru. It was him extolling the (immaginary) benefits of L-Carnitine to Salazar, not the other way round.
So you don't like Salazar's body shaming methods? Neither do I, but he has admitted his guilt hasn't he?
1654 -
zxcvvcx wrote:
Nike shills notwithstanding, Magness was courageous in bucking the powers that be. You have to respect whistleblowers even if you don't like them. He was a guinea pig for Salazar's gray line testing, that's how he was injected above limits on l-carnitine, as a retired athlete, and reported that he was much faster with higher doses. That was per Al Sal.
And please, don't presume to lecture me about "bucking the powers that be" that is both naïve and disingenuous. WADA policy is not the way forward. It promotes ignorance of true Science. So do you.
224 -
Jean Duffy wrote:
Both completely out of running. I would take what salazar did at Nop over what Magness did at UH.
Violating anti doping rules. What a hero you would be.
124 -
what he did at NOP wrote:
Jean Duffy wrote:
Both completely out of running. I would take what salazar did at Nop over what Magness did at UH.
Violating anti doping rules. What a hero you would be.
Yes. Egregious sexual misconduct + administering a forbidden method + trafficking/possession of testosterone + tampering. Plus he doped himself with testo back then. Glad that despicable cheat got finally banned.
Magness is also a cheat (using a forbidden method), but a) that was on behalf of his boss (still, he should have refused) and b) he committed none of the other offenses.
332 -
Magness had no platform without Salazar. He wasnt running or coaching before he got his golden ticket
516 -
He has podcasts? wtf cares. He's done nothing coaching-wise. Once Hall kicked him to the curb she actually started achieving what she should have done long ago.
910 -
Salazar is a rapist. Remember, any penetration is rape, even a finger.
94 -
zxcvvcx wrote:
Nike shills notwithstanding, Magness was courageous in bucking the powers that be. You have to respect whistleblowers even if you don't like them. He was a guinea pig for Salazar's gray line testing, that's how he was injected above limits on l-carnitine, as a retired athlete, and reported that he was much faster with higher doses. That was per Al Sal.
You aren’t a whistleblower if you take part in the actual crime too.
517 -
Houston hot wrote:
zxcvvcx wrote:
Nike shills notwithstanding, Magness was courageous in bucking the powers that be. You have to respect whistleblowers even if you don't like them. He was a guinea pig for Salazar's gray line testing, that's how he was injected above limits on l-carnitine, as a retired athlete, and reported that he was much faster with higher doses. That was per Al Sal.
You aren’t a whistleblower if you take part in the actual crime too.
And you may not consider Tyler Hamilton much of a ‘whistleblower’ either. Hindsight is 20-20, and once removed from the immediacy of the intense drama of the events, perspective can be lost. But Hamilton (worth listening to on YouTube) says he feels better, from lifting the weight off.
60 -
Selective Amnesty wrote:
zxcvvcx wrote:
Nike shills notwithstanding, Magness was courageous in bucking the powers that be. You have to respect whistleblowers even if you don't like them. He was a guinea pig for Salazar's gray line testing, that's how he was injected above limits on l-carnitine, as a retired athlete, and reported that he was much faster with higher doses. That was per Al Sal.
Sorry, I'm not buying that. I trust Salazar more than Magness. Salazar was something else as a runner. Magness, a comparitive nobody.
Who was using who? Magness was young and ambitious and a wannabe guru. It was him extolling the (immaginary) benefits of L-Carnitine to Salazar, not the other way round.
So you don't like Salazar's body shaming methods? Neither do I, but he has admitted his guilt hasn't he?
Yeah, I base my judgements of character and ethics and coaching on how fast somebody ran. If they were world-class, they definitely are more trustworthy than nobody’s who could not even break 4 in the mile.
92 -
In hindsight wrote:
I doubted Steve Magness a bit when the NOP allegations came out, but ten years on he has two very interesting podcasts that I enjoy listening to, whereas Alberto is irrelevant and rightfully so according to most. Anybody else a bit regretful that their original judgment was so bad?
If safesport existed when Magness was coaching at NOP, he'd have been banned years before salazar got banned.
310 -
casual obsever wrote:
Magness is also a cheat (using a forbidden method), but a) that was on behalf of his boss (still, he should have refused) and b) he committed none of the other offenses.
Is he a cheat? I thought he was retired and out of competition at the time, and therefore no longer subject to testing authorities.
91
What People Are Talking About On LetsRun
No top threads at the moment. Check back soon.