Chasing the high of an Olympic bronze, and never quite regaining that old form.
Steady on...he got a European record in February for a 3:48 indoor mile and he ran 3:30 at the World Champs a few weeks ago. Now compare that to Murphy.
There are two type of bronze medalists and there are only two types of bronze medalists.
Type 1: Men and women who put themselves in position to earn a gold medal but came of a bit short. Examples, Mike Boit, 1972 Olympics 800m final, Nikolay Kirov, 1980 Olympics 800m final, Johnny Gray, 1992 Olympics, 800m final, etc.
Type 2: Men and women who raced in 5th or 6th place with 300m to go and hope others will fall apart and thus allowing them to obtain Olympic bronze. Examples, Paul Heinz-Wellmann, 1976 Olympics 1500m final, Stephen Kipkorir, 1996 Olympics 1500m final, Nick Willis, 2016 Olympics 1500m final, etc.
Both Kerr & Murphy are in group two until they get in an Olympic final and race to win.
There are two type of bronze medalists and there are only two types of bronze medalists.
Type 1: Men and women who put themselves in position to earn a gold medal but came of a bit short. Examples, Mike Boit, 1972 Olympics 800m final, Nikolay Kirov, 1980 Olympics 800m final, Johnny Gray, 1992 Olympics, 800m final, etc.
Type 2: Men and women who raced in 5th or 6th place with 300m to go and hope others will fall apart and thus allowing them to obtain Olympic bronze. Examples, Paul Heinz-Wellmann, 1976 Olympics 1500m final, Stephen Kipkorir, 1996 Olympics 1500m final, Nick Willis, 2016 Olympics 1500m final, etc.
Both Kerr & Murphy are in group two until they get in an Olympic final and race to win.
I'm guessing Type 2 miraculously turn into 'runners who trust their kick' when they win gold from further back? What piffle.
There are two type of bronze medalists and there are only two types of bronze medalists.
Type 1: Men and women who put themselves in position to earn a gold medal but came of a bit short. Examples, Mike Boit, 1972 Olympics 800m final, Nikolay Kirov, 1980 Olympics 800m final, Johnny Gray, 1992 Olympics, 800m final, etc.
Type 2: Men and women who raced in 5th or 6th place with 300m to go and hope others will fall apart and thus allowing them to obtain Olympic bronze. Examples, Paul Heinz-Wellmann, 1976 Olympics 1500m final, Stephen Kipkorir, 1996 Olympics 1500m final, Nick Willis, 2016 Olympics 1500m final, etc.
Both Kerr & Murphy are in group two until they get in an Olympic final and race to win.
You did Willis dirty by putting him in Type 2, when he'd also gotten a silver in 2008
There are two type of bronze medalists and there are only two types of bronze medalists.
Type 1: Men and women who put themselves in position to earn a gold medal but came of a bit short. Examples, Mike Boit, 1972 Olympics 800m final, Nikolay Kirov, 1980 Olympics 800m final, Johnny Gray, 1992 Olympics, 800m final, etc.
Type 2: Men and women who raced in 5th or 6th place with 300m to go and hope others will fall apart and thus allowing them to obtain Olympic bronze. Examples, Paul Heinz-Wellmann, 1976 Olympics 1500m final, Stephen Kipkorir, 1996 Olympics 1500m final, Nick Willis, 2016 Olympics 1500m final, etc.
Both Kerr & Murphy are in group two until they get in an Olympic final and race to win.
You did Willis dirty by putting him in Type 2, when he'd also gotten a silver in 2008
Disagree, his assessment was spot on tbh. Willis sat in 6th and then kicked for a Bronze medal. Ramzi was later disqualified moving him up to Silver (Should be Gold since Kiprop is also a cheater).
You did Willis dirty by putting him in Type 2, when he'd also gotten a silver in 2008
Disagree, his assessment was spot on tbh. Willis sat in 6th and then kicked for a Bronze medal. Ramzi was later disqualified moving him up to Silver (Should be Gold since Kiprop is also a cheater).
kinda proves the other guys point who said "if he'd won, you'd put him in the guy who trusts his kick category".
What is the beef with Clayton Murphy? The only thing he does that slightly bothers me is he runs on his toes all the time. He is going to destroy those achilles tendons. Otherwise he seems like a very chill dude that I would have no problem running with or hanging out with. You can’t expect to go from 1:45 to 1:43 every year. A good career is going to have natural ups and downs. He is still running extremely well, as is Kerr. What is the rub?
What is the beef with Clayton Murphy? The only thing he does that slightly bothers me is he runs on his toes all the time. He is going to destroy those achilles tendons. Otherwise he seems like a very chill dude that I would have no problem running with or hanging out with. You can’t expect to go from 1:45 to 1:43 every year. A good career is going to have natural ups and downs. He is still running extremely well, as is Kerr. What is the rub?
I think the beef is with him being a first rate chooch
There are two type of bronze medalists and there are only two types of bronze medalists.
Type 1: Men and women who put themselves in position to earn a gold medal but came of a bit short. Examples, Mike Boit, 1972 Olympics 800m final, Nikolay Kirov, 1980 Olympics 800m final, Johnny Gray, 1992 Olympics, 800m final, etc.
Type 2: Men and women who raced in 5th or 6th place with 300m to go and hope others will fall apart and thus allowing them to obtain Olympic bronze. Examples, Paul Heinz-Wellmann, 1976 Olympics 1500m final, Stephen Kipkorir, 1996 Olympics 1500m final, Nick Willis, 2016 Olympics 1500m final, etc.
Both Kerr & Murphy are in group two until they get in an Olympic final and race to win.
You did Willis dirty by putting him in Type 2, when he'd also gotten a silver in 2008
Willis still dicked himself a chance of NZ immortality when Centro won Gold by not going for it IMHO
I like Nick but he didn’t even run for the win in some of these Commonwealth Games races and it’s like come on. I don’t necessarily think Kerr is this style of runner he just hasn’t been as good this year.
There are two type of bronze medalists and there are only two types of bronze medalists.
Type 1: Men and women who put themselves in position to earn a gold medal but came of a bit short. Examples, Mike Boit, 1972 Olympics 800m final, Nikolay Kirov, 1980 Olympics 800m final, Johnny Gray, 1992 Olympics, 800m final, etc.
Type 2: Men and women who raced in 5th or 6th place with 300m to go and hope others will fall apart and thus allowing them to obtain Olympic bronze. Examples, Paul Heinz-Wellmann, 1976 Olympics 1500m final, Stephen Kipkorir, 1996 Olympics 1500m final, Nick Willis, 2016 Olympics 1500m final, etc.
Both Kerr & Murphy are in group two until they get in an Olympic final and race to win.
Kirov in Moscow 1980 chose the tactic he did (hit the front with 250m to go) in order to win the bronze medal! He knew he had no chance of beating Coe (even when running the worst tactical race possible) or Ovett in the final. So he doesn't really fit into your 'Type 1' category.
Kerr was out to win in Tokyo and wasn't quite as good as the 2 in front of him on the day. He ran 3:29 low FFS! He then genuinely felt he had a chance of winning in Eugene, but for whatever reason (perhaps a break in training, summer cold, whatever) he didn't have it in him on that day. I'm sure he will have better days and more medals in the future.
The thing is, Murphy hasn’t even been that bad after 2016. In 2017 he ran a 1:43 800m but got injured at the US Champs. In 2018 he ran 1:43. In 2019 he made the world champs final but had a bad race and got last. 2020 he didn’t race much due to covid, but in 2021 he ran 1:43 to win the Olympic trials.
And even this year which was a pretty poor year for him, he ran a 2:15 1k, which is pretty solid. The thing is medaling in the 800m is tough and even 1:42 and 1:43 guys can sometimes only get one medal in their careers if even that. Nick Symmonds, Donovan Brazier, and Clayton Murphy all only have one medal each because medaling is really hard, especially in such an unpredictable event.
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Winning is a matter of character, and Kerr doesn't have it!
Kerr was out to win in Tokyo and wasn't quite as good as the 2 in front of him on the day...He then genuinely felt he had a chance of winning in Eugene, but....he didn't have it in him on that day.
I'm not sure "2 types" would agree with you that Kerr could really have been "out to win" and not be "quite as good" or "not have it in him." "2 types" sounds as if he belongs to the the "losers are cowards" cult on LRC. In this cult, there are only two reasons runners -- especially American runners -- get silver or bronze. Runners get silver or bronze because they are either: a) cowards, runnerw who could run fast enough but lack the guts to do so; or, b) dishonorable, runners who are not fast enough to win, but do not push the pace in a (quixotic) quest for (an impossible) victory.
Members of this cult are convinced that losing is always a matter of character, not fitness or racing savvy. One result is that they can't see the genius of Centro or Simpson, who were better than anyone at seeing their opportunities and taking advantage of them.
Kerr was out to win in Tokyo and wasn't quite as good as the 2 in front of him on the day. He ran 3:29 low FFS! He then genuinely felt he had a chance of winning in Eugene, but for whatever reason (perhaps a break in training, summer cold, whatever) he didn't have it in him on that day. I'm sure he will have better days and more medals in the future.
Think you need to rewatch that race. With 2 laps to go Kerr was sitting in 8th. With a lap to go he was 5th and 5-10m down on the top 3, and that was as close as he ever got to Jakob.
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