Seb Coe: "Biology trumps gender.... I’m really over having any more of these discussions with second-rate sociologists"

You wish to be inclusive to some at the expense of others.

I wasn't going that far. I just said if you have a Y chromosome, you don't compete in certain women's sport (eg track & field and swimming), as you have an unfair advantage.

Ok fair enough. At least there is some agreement.

So how many people are going to be on the genitalia inspection unit? Do they later sync up with the testosterone unit to look at video to decide who is male and female?

It’s clear you many of you have a lot of repressed anxiety over how male or not male you are 😂

This is a great time to remember that:

1) This trans athlete panic is an entirely fabricated freak-out brought to you by your good friends the right-wing culture warriors. Sport governing bodies will evolve appropriate rules without panic being exploited and driven by the likes of Laura and Tucker, thank you very much. Shame on LRC for playing into this as well, although not surprising.

2) Subjective experience of gender is clearly much more fluid among a large number of people than society recognized previously. If you aren't comfortable with that fact, you'll get there. If not, you'll be marginalized as more generations grow up freely exploring where they fit without the outdated gender dichotomous paradigms.

3) At its heart, being 'woke' is nothing more than trying NOT to be a raging as-hole to those different from us. How the right-wing culture warriors successfully recast being decent and considerate as something else entirely reveals how threatened right wingers are by equity and justice.

just, like, one doctor should do it...

Being woke means viewing reality through the ideological lens of postmodern and critical theories. There is a huge difference between accepting individual diversity of expression and forcing institutions to accept a quasi-religious view of human beings as having gendered souls. The former is consistent with liberal values and a peaceful society. The latter is repressive/totalitarian.

You can carry on thinking that this is a rightwing attack and a moral panic, or talk to people outside of your bubble. Gender critical feminists are not rightwingers. Moderate democrats in the US are not rightwingers. Biologists who understand what sex is are not rightwingers.

You have no idea. The trans thing in sport has had minuscule impact and sporting bodies are more than capable of shifting rules to account for fluidity in today's youth. You also talk about "quasi religious views" which is both wrong and ironic considering that the current hysteria is driven by right-wing, supposedly evangelical leaders.

Young people in the west are coming to view gender on a spectrum whether you, who are old, likes it or not. They push for recognition of their right to exist, which means that institutions must change to accommodate them, again whether you like it or not. You and your right wing authoritarians find a way to bend the narrative as a projection in which you wish to force time not to march on, but for culture to remain frozen in a state in which you are comfortable. However, a dynamic and evolving culture will ALWAYS challenge its older, reactionary members. The fact that you are so uncomfortable with the trans movement is OK, and your rage against it will prove futile.

And yes, the current focus is a politically/religiously motivated hysteria, a fake moral panic designed to drive donations to right wing reactionaries and draw money to the donation trays of mega churches. How many young kids and their families are you willing to destroy to make an extra million?

It's completely fine to reject that framework. But you know what? That framework is useful. And if people cannot find ways to be useful in society, then they are at the whims of those whose productivity makes the wheels of society turn.

It's like the meme of the ax with the wooden head and a metal handle. Doesn't matter how creative you are if you're useless.

The trans sport issue is not a minimal impact situation. It's a complete rejection of objective reality.

This is a philosophical argument that goes back 100 years, and we know how well that worked out in the early 20th century.

OMG. I assume this is sarcasm?

That poster is conflating freedom of expression versus unwilling endorsement.

People are free to be as weird and useless as they choose, but I am in no way obligated to endorse their lifestyle.

Yeah that’s what I meant. Got majority downvotes in a thread where most people agree with my sentiment so the phrasing maybe isn’t great.

I think our main disagreement here is a sort of chicken and egg scenario. I think some people are transgender by birth, meaning there’s a “wire crossed” in their brain where they feel like a person of the opposite sex. We can’t exactly uncross the wires, so what are we to do about that? I agree that trans women should not compete against biological females, but rejecting their condition outright makes life harder, not easier, for trans people.

I don’t think kids are choosing to be trans because they don’t like the stereotypes of their sex. I think the stereotypes of their sex are what initially signals to them that there is a mismatch in their brain. There are some trans people who don’t experience dysphoria and there is debate on the legitimacy of this. Contra’s transtrenders video is pretty good on this. I don’t think adults should be encouraging anything, but they should be accepting of everything. Are you encouraging a child if you tell them, “No matter who you like or how you identify, you will be accepted.” Because that’s not encouragement, just acceptance.

"I don’t think kids are choosing to be trans because they don’t like the stereotypes of their sex. I think the stereotypes of their sex are what initially signals to them that there is a mismatch in their brain."

What happened to tomboy girls? Or effeminate men? These used to be understood and acceptable personality traits.

Who is making such a strong push for these folks to become part of the alphabet mafia?