Is deadlifting actually beneficial for distance running?

asci wrote:

First off English isn't my first language so forgive any mistakes on wording.

Seems like most exercises such as deadlifts and hip thrusts are counter intuitive to running. For deadlifting you're taught to put your weight on your heels and to push the hips forward, whereas while running you don't want to land on the heel and you want the hips to stay behind the chest (as demonstrated by guys like J Ingebrigtsen and Tim Cheriyout).

I'm starting to run at a D1 school and seems like my strength coach (and from what I've heard, weight coaches at other D1 schools) have mix of a powerlifting and football philosophy when it comes to weight training. I've noticed I do similar weight exercises as the football players and powerlifters back in my home country, whereas they don't even run 1 km continuously to train for their sport. It seems like bodyweight/light weight drills emphasizing single leg stability would be best for distance running, since you only run with one leg on the ground at a time. As far as I know the African runners don't have rigorous weight lifting programs like the top American runners, and they get injured less often.

hmm. wrote:

asci wrote:

First off English isn't my first language so forgive any mistakes on wording.

Seems like most exercises such as deadlifts and hip thrusts are counter intuitive to running. For deadlifting you're taught to put your weight on your heels and to push the hips forward, whereas while running you don't want to land on the heel and you want the hips to stay behind the chest (as demonstrated by guys like J Ingebrigtsen and Tim Cheriyout).

I'm starting to run at a D1 school and seems like my strength coach (and from what I've heard, weight coaches at other D1 schools) have mix of a powerlifting and football philosophy when it comes to weight training. I've noticed I do similar weight exercises as the football players and powerlifters back in my home country, whereas they don't even run 1 km continuously to train for their sport. It seems like bodyweight/light weight drills emphasizing single leg stability would be best for distance running, since you only run with one leg on the ground at a time. As far as I know the African runners don't have rigorous weight lifting programs like the top American runners, and they get injured less often.

Strength building compound exercises are not meant to be particularly activity-specific, only roughly so. Deadlifts strengthen the entire posterior chain and thats valuable for running. Single leg weight training emphasizing stability is also beneficial. You don’t need a lot of weight. In fact, you could optimize your body for distance running by running a lot alone, but compound weight training is a good non-impact way to build strength quicker or patch any strength deficits or asymmetries, and thereby reduce the risk of injury.

asci wrote:

First off English isn't my first language so forgive any mistakes on wording.

Seems like most exercises such as deadlifts and hip thrusts are counter intuitive to running. For deadlifting you're taught to put your weight on your heels and to push the hips forward, whereas while running you don't want to land on the heel and you want the hips to stay behind the chest (as demonstrated by guys like J Ingebrigtsen and Tim Cheriyout).

I'm starting to run at a D1 school and seems like my strength coach (and from what I've heard, weight coaches at other D1 schools) have mix of a powerlifting and football philosophy when it comes to weight training. I've noticed I do similar weight exercises as the football players and powerlifters back in my home country, whereas they don't even run 1 km continuously to train for their sport. It seems like bodyweight/light weight drills emphasizing single leg stability would be best for distance running, since you only run with one leg on the ground at a time. As far as I know the African runners don't have rigorous weight lifting programs like the top American runners, and they get injured less often.

asci wrote:

First off English isn't my first language so forgive any mistakes on wording.

Seems like most exercises such as deadlifts and hip thrusts are counter intuitive to running. For deadlifting you're taught to put your weight on your heels and to push the hips forward, whereas while running you don't want to land on the heel and you want the hips to stay behind the chest (as demonstrated by guys like J Ingebrigtsen and Tim Cheriyout).

I'm starting to run at a D1 school and seems like my strength coach (and from what I've heard, weight coaches at other D1 schools) have mix of a powerlifting and football philosophy when it comes to weight training. I've noticed I do similar weight exercises as the football players and powerlifters back in my home country, whereas they don't even run 1 km continuously to train for their sport. It seems like bodyweight/light weight drills emphasizing single leg stability would be best for distance running, since you only run with one leg on the ground at a time. As far as I know the African runners don't have rigorous weight lifting programs like the top American runners, and they get injured less often.

XCcoachCSCS wrote:

coachcommentsnicely wrote:

Another way to look at it: “heavy” resistance training builds bone density and strengthens soft tissue like ligaments and tendons. It’s a great way to reduce risk of injury.

There is a lot of talk about strength training reducing injuries. However the benefits for injury prevention are only assumed based on reasoning and studies showing injury reduction in other sports. There have been studies to try to prove this theory, that weight lifting prevents injuries in runners, but there has been no evidence to support these claims in real life studies. In fact, one of the studies indicated that strength training concurrently with running increases the risk of serious injury while decreasing the risk of minor injury. I believe in the value of strength training (I have my CSCS), but you have to be extremely careful because it will increase joint and tendon stiffness and can lead to overtraining much faster than running alone. Remember if you put additional work on your body, and you can't recover fully, this will lead to injury.

XCcoachCSCS wrote:

coachcommentsnicely wrote:

Another way to look at it: “heavy” resistance training builds bone density and strengthens soft tissue like ligaments and tendons. It’s a great way to reduce risk of injury.

There is a lot of talk about strength training reducing injuries. However the benefits for injury prevention are only assumed based on reasoning and studies showing injury reduction in other sports. There have been studies to try to prove this theory, that weight lifting prevents injuries in runners, but there has been no evidence to support these claims in real life studies. In fact, one of the studies indicated that strength training concurrently with running increases the risk of serious injury while decreasing the risk of minor injury. I believe in the value of strength training (I have my CSCS), but you have to be extremely careful because it will increase joint and tendon stiffness and can lead to overtraining much faster than running alone. Remember if you put additional work on your body, and you can't recover fully, this will lead to injury.

Biomechanics guy wrote:

XCcoachCSCS wrote:

There is a lot of talk about strength training reducing injuries. However the benefits for injury prevention are only assumed based on reasoning and studies showing injury reduction in other sports. There have been studies to try to prove this theory, that weight lifting prevents injuries in runners, but there has been no evidence to support these claims in real life studies. In fact, one of the studies indicated that strength training concurrently with running increases the risk of serious injury while decreasing the risk of minor injury. I believe in the value of strength training (I have my CSCS), but you have to be extremely careful because it will increase joint and tendon stiffness and can lead to overtraining much faster than running alone. Remember if you put additional work on your body, and you can't recover fully, this will lead to injury.

Yes! Thank you! Aside from your reply, there's a lot of misinformation in the replies here. Information that has been passed along from coach to coach without any research to back it up. Bottom line is that traditional weight training does not translate to running performance and is actually detrimental.

The running motion is more of a rotational-type movement where 'slings' are involved and up and down strength training movements work against this concept. Also, it's not just me saying this, it's proven research. Look it up.

Biomechanics guy wrote:

XCcoachCSCS wrote:

There is a lot of talk about strength training reducing injuries. However the benefits for injury prevention are only assumed based on reasoning and studies showing injury reduction in other sports. There have been studies to try to prove this theory, that weight lifting prevents injuries in runners, but there has been no evidence to support these claims in real life studies. In fact, one of the studies indicated that strength training concurrently with running increases the risk of serious injury while decreasing the risk of minor injury. I believe in the value of strength training (I have my CSCS), but you have to be extremely careful because it will increase joint and tendon stiffness and can lead to overtraining much faster than running alone. Remember if you put additional work on your body, and you can't recover fully, this will lead to injury.

Yes! Thank you! Aside from your reply, there's a lot of misinformation in the replies here. Information that has been passed along from coach to coach without any research to back it up. Bottom line is that traditional weight training does not translate to running performance and is actually detrimental.

The running motion is more of a rotational-type movement where 'slings' are involved and up and down strength training movements work against this concept. Also, it's not just me saying this, it's proven research. Look it up.