Kipchoge has as much relevance to pro cycling as Jenny Craig has at a buffet. Any Cat 4 cyclist would drop him. The British Cycling medical doctors on the other hand gave out testosterone and other hard core drugs like candy and conveniently lost all records of it on the laptop.
Kipchoge has as much relevance to pro cycling as Jenny Craig has at a buffet. Any Cat 4 cyclist would drop him. The British Cycling medical doctors on the other hand gave out testosterone and other hard core drugs like candy and conveniently lost all records of it on the laptop.
I'm afraid you're right. This could flood the Rift Valley with all sorts of designer drugs.
Kipchoge has as much relevance to pro cycling as Jenny Craig has at a buffet. Any Cat 4 cyclist would drop him. The British Cycling medical doctors on the other hand gave out testosterone and other hard core drugs like candy and conveniently lost all records of it on the laptop.
I'm afraid you're right. This could flood the Rift Valley with all sorts of designer drugs.
You can't flood what is already an ocean. Ineos and British Cycling likely chose Kenya for their cycling academy because they can get away with doping and the testers can be bought off easily, making it easy for pros to have "training camps".
I'm afraid you're right. This could flood the Rift Valley with all sorts of designer drugs.
You can't flood what is already an ocean. Ineos and British Cycling likely chose Kenya for their cycling academy because they can get away with doping and the testers can be bought off easily, making it easy for pros to have "training camps".
None of the suspected undetectable PEDs used by athletes worldwide are developed, manufactured or clinically trialed in Kenya, I assure you. We just don't have the knowledge or scientific wherewithal. The drugs will come from Europe and America and be tested on British Cycling riders.
It would be nice if these unscrupulous foreigners gave Kenya a break picked another country to infest. There are dozens of high altitude destinations worldwide, and the very successful Ethiopia right next door, yet they almost always choose Kenya.
You can't flood what is already an ocean. Ineos and British Cycling likely chose Kenya for their cycling academy because they can get away with doping and the testers can be bought off easily, making it easy for pros to have "training camps".
None of the suspected undetectable PEDs used by athletes worldwide are developed, manufactured or clinically trialed in Kenya, I assure you. We just don't have the knowledge or scientific wherewithal. The drugs will come from Europe and America and be tested on British Cycling riders.
It would be nice if these unscrupulous foreigners gave Kenya a break picked another country to infest. There are dozens of high altitude destinations worldwide, and the very successful Ethiopia right next door, yet they almost always choose Kenya.
Do you think part of the reason Kenya is more of a destination is cultural and that almost everyone speaks English? Honestly asking as like others have said in this thread Ethiopia has the same exact pedigree, altitude and great dirt roads to train on but doesn't seem to get as many foreigners.
None of the suspected undetectable PEDs used by athletes worldwide are developed, manufactured or clinically trialed in Kenya, I assure you. We just don't have the knowledge or scientific wherewithal. The drugs will come from Europe and America and be tested on British Cycling riders.
It would be nice if these unscrupulous foreigners gave Kenya a break picked another country to infest. There are dozens of high altitude destinations worldwide, and the very successful Ethiopia right next door, yet they almost always choose Kenya.
Do you think part of the reason Kenya is more of a destination is cultural and that almost everyone speaks English? Honestly asking as like others have said in this thread Ethiopia has the same exact pedigree, altitude and great dirt roads to train on but doesn't seem to get as many foreigners.
I expect it is a lot of factors. Elevation being one, extremely cheap to be there, and what I think the real deal is, really cheap to get the next potential great cyclist. It will take some years of development, but I think the long game is for big teams to bring down their budget else face going out of business. It costs 10s of millions for the top cycling teams to run, and it's just not sustainable with its level of popularity.
And of course, if they do training camps there, they will do training camp things...
No we're not, as far as vo2 max, power output and LT threshold Europeans are equal to or greater than east Africans. The only reason supposedly they are so much better is because of their tendon elasticity. So on a bike where bouncing isn't a factor, the advantage is gone. If Kenyans are magical aerobic beast we wouldn't only see them dominate running but also other endurance sports. Wake me up when they win any major cycling competition.
No we're not, as far as vo2 max, power output and LT threshold Europeans are equal to or greater than east Africans. The only reason supposedly they are so much better is because of their tendon elasticity. So on a bike where bouncing isn't a factor, the advantage is gone. If Kenyans are magical aerobic beast we wouldn't only see them dominate running but also other endurance sports. Wake me up when they win any major cycling competition.
No we're not, as far as vo2 max, power output and LT threshold Europeans are equal to or greater than east Africans. The only reason supposedly they are so much better is because of their tendon elasticity. So on a bike where bouncing isn't a factor, the advantage is gone. If Kenyans are magical aerobic beast we wouldn't only see them dominate running but also other endurance sports. Wake me up when they win any major cycling competition.
Ever heard of Biniam Girmay?
Sure their light frames will be good for climbing but show me a world class time trial specialist from East Africa.
People with money have been trying to develop cycling in Africa forever. Froome, Girmay, and one or two other World Tour stage wins is all they have to show for it.
Cycling isn't running. Way too much overhead. Africa will never crack that nut.
None of the suspected undetectable PEDs used by athletes worldwide are developed, manufactured or clinically trialed in Kenya, I assure you. We just don't have the knowledge or scientific wherewithal. The drugs will come from Europe and America and be tested on British Cycling riders.
It would be nice if these unscrupulous foreigners gave Kenya a break picked another country to infest. There are dozens of high altitude destinations worldwide, and the very successful Ethiopia right next door, yet they almost always choose Kenya.
Do you think part of the reason Kenya is more of a destination is cultural and that almost everyone speaks English? Honestly asking as like others have said in this thread Ethiopia has the same exact pedigree, altitude and great dirt roads to train on but doesn't seem to get as many foreigners.
Yeah, it's probably cultural. If you check out many YouTube videos of expat experiences in Africa, a lot of them mention Kenya (especially Nairobi) being one of the few places in Africa they could envisage living in permanently.
No we're not, as far as vo2 max, power output and LT threshold Europeans are equal to or greater than east Africans. The only reason supposedly they are so much better is because of their tendon elasticity. So on a bike where bouncing isn't a factor, the advantage is gone. If Kenyans are magical aerobic beast we wouldn't only see them dominate running but also other endurance sports. Wake me up when they win any major cycling competition.
Their top runners also tend to have longer than avg tibias relative to their femurs, which is a disadvantage for cyclists. On top of that most of Africa simply doesn’t have the infrastructure setup for proper training and racing development.
No we're not, as far as vo2 max, power output and LT threshold Europeans are equal to or greater than east Africans. The only reason supposedly they are so much better is because of their tendon elasticity. So on a bike where bouncing isn't a factor, the advantage is gone. If Kenyans are magical aerobic beast we wouldn't only see them dominate running but also other endurance sports. Wake me up when they win any major cycling competition.
1: Building some blacktop roads is peanut money to someone with resources.
2: Semielite and amateur cyclists and triathletes on average have more money to spend on training camps than semielite runners (and remember that semi-elite and amateur training camps for runners is already big business in Kenya).
3: Cycling and running are two of the few sports that kept growing during the Covid pandemic - expanding the training camps scene in Kenya with cycling right now sound like the perfect move.
4: Producing Kenyan elite cyclists is hardly the main goal, but would be a nice bonus down the road for everyone involved in this now (surely a lot of bikes will be left behind in the camps for starters). If Columbia can be world class nation at cycling surely so could Kenya.