Ban the pacing lights on the last lap!!! My god. What's the point? Jakob ran with the lights and didn't get record?

He was behind the lights.

I think the lights should be shut off after a certain point. I like them for keeping the pacers on track, but not a huge fan of someone running against the lights to break a record. Feels like one of the hardest parts of breaking a record is fighting to keep the pace up when you are all alone after the pacers drop.

Do you really think the lights behaved in a way that Ingebrigtsen wasn't aware of? lol.

Any record set with lights should be counted as a separate record. Why not count the sub 2 marathon as the WR? Same concept.

Pacing lights are more of an advantage then super shoes. How long until pacing lights hit the roads?

I like the lights. Fun to watch a race progress in relation to WR pace. Jakob - WOW. Also Oliver - WOW. Great results.

Runners can’t draft off of them and elites are quite capable of holding a pace without them. Bekele didn’t have pacers for the 2nd half of his 10000m WR and Komen for the last 1000m of his 3K record but both held the pace. I doubt if running a perfect pace and having slight variations in lap times makes any difference.

1:59 was much more than the same concept as the benefit of drag reduction with the group formation was very significant, and also to a lesser extent being handed drinks by cyclists.

You clearly have never ran a race for time if you think the lights don’t help significantly.

As I said before, you can’t draft off of them. Many of the past WRs have had very even pacing. The only difference pacing lights can provide is to avoid minimal variations in lap times. How much faster would Komen have run had he used pacer lights? Using the old shoes, how many current runners could keep up with lights set for 7:20.7 pace?

I didn't notice the lights but it changes everything. It's not a "separate" record, it DOESN'T COUNT AT ALL.

I don't care who disagrees - it's disputed and they have to live with that. You want undisputed records, stop with the little cheats.

Does J.I. have any brothers good enough to pace J.I. through 1200m at W.C. sub-2:52? I don't believe J.I. can do it. No rabbits, no wave lights, no brother will be in 1500m final, no S. McSewyn. That slow 800m means game on for the other elite 1500m runners.

Lol

You think this is a joke? What J.I. is doing, be paced to fast one mile times is nothing like championship racing.

Maybe, maybe not. I have talked to some world class runners and their coaches after races with wave light technology and some of them didn't understand the pace that the lights were set for.

For example, that even includes Bowerman coach Shalane Flanagan, who at one race had requested the lights be set up a certain way for one of her athletes but during the race got confused and thought the lights were doing one thing when they were actually doing something else.

So yes, even top runners and/or their coaches sometimes get confused.

And the stadium announcers sometimes get confused too and make inaccurate announcements, which doesn't help the situation.

Those lights are stupidest cheap communist gimmick in sports.

Like the Olympic Final, when he set the Olympic record? :)

If Cheruiyot can win by setting a hard pace from the gun, why do you believe Jakob can’t do the same thing? He’s not the Olympic champion for nothing.

We will see, Tim is an outlier in the history of running with front-running, nobody else has ever soloed a sub 3:30. I have no doubt Jakob could do it as well if he chooses to, but if Tim gets to draft off of him for 1400m might we see a reverse of Tokyo in that final 100m?

In Doha in 2019 when Tim ran 3:29 everybody was caught off guard and nobody went with him. People are ready for it now, can Jakob push the pace fast enough to drop the field? We will see how it shakes out, I am excited to see.