Apparently he didn’t retire after Tokyo 13:30 5000m today.
Suguru Osako is back.
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He unretired in February.
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lke4:25 wrote:
Apparently he didn’t retire after Tokyo 13:30 5000m today.
He retired because he was sick of getting all the baseless accusations against him for doping (NOP)
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The Japanese Galen Rupp wrote:
lke4:25 wrote:
Apparently he didn’t retire after Tokyo 13:30 5000m today.
He retired because he was sick of getting all the baseless accusations against him for doping (NOP)
How are the accusations baseless when his team broke doping protocols though? That's not baseless and that is the risk you take when joining a team. I am a huge fan of him too but yea it comes with the territory.
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Which doping protocols did the team break? We’re they found guilty? If the athletes were found guilty, they would have been suspended. So stfu and come back with proof.
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SayWut?? wrote:
How are the accusations baseless when his team broke doping protocols though? That's not baseless and that is the risk you take when joining a team.
This is a typically dishonest misrepresentation of the facts (his TEAM did not break any "doping protocols," which is why none of the athletes were sanctioned by WADA) but nicely representative of mob mentality.
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Taro wrote:
SayWut?? wrote:
How are the accusations baseless when his team broke doping protocols though? That's not baseless and that is the risk you take when joining a team.
This is a typically dishonest misrepresentation of the facts (his TEAM did not break any "doping protocols," which is why none of the athletes were sanctioned by WADA) but nicely representative of mob mentality.
I don’t really get a vibe from Osako that he takes PEDs but his former group had to get rebranded because of a banned coach. With the way how that whole ordeal was handled, there will always be people that look at the veteran NOP members a little funny whether they were clean or not.
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Kevin Durant wrote:
Taro wrote:
This is a typically dishonest misrepresentation of the facts (his TEAM did not break any "doping protocols," which is why none of the athletes were sanctioned by WADA) but nicely representative of mob mentality.
I don’t really get a vibe from Osako that he takes PEDs but his former group had to get rebranded because of a banned coach. With the way how that whole ordeal was handled, there will always be people that look at the veteran NOP members a little funny whether they were clean or not.
Are you going to extend that suspicion to Kara and Adam Goucher, Ritz, Mary Cain, Alan Webb, and countless others who thrived under the NOP program? If not, why be suspicious of Osaka?
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I said that I didn’t get the vibe that he took PEDs. I’m not suspicious of him. Just pointing out that the NOP affiliation will always have other people think otherwise towards him and the other folks you mentioned regardless if they are clean or not.
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asdasdasfa wrote:
Kevin Durant wrote:
I don’t really get a vibe from Osako that he takes PEDs but his former group had to get rebranded because of a banned coach. With the way how that whole ordeal was handled, there will always be people that look at the veteran NOP members a little funny whether they were clean or not.
Are you going to extend that suspicion to Kara and Adam Goucher, Ritz, Mary Cain, Alan Webb, and countless others who thrived under the NOP program? If not, why be suspicious of Osaka?
Yes. The suspicion goes to ALL athletes under the NOP umbrella. But why are you talking about suspicion when there is already evidence ie L-carnitine and Ritz?
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Taro wrote:
SayWut?? wrote:
How are the accusations baseless when his team broke doping protocols though? That's not baseless and that is the risk you take when joining a team.
This is a typically dishonest misrepresentation of the facts (his TEAM did not break any "doping protocols," which is why none of the athletes were sanctioned by WADA) but nicely representative of mob mentality.
Keep living with your head in the sand.
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SayWut?? wrote:
asdasdasfa wrote:
Are you going to extend that suspicion to Kara and Adam Goucher, Ritz, Mary Cain, Alan Webb, and countless others who thrived under the NOP program? If not, why be suspicious of Osaka?
Yes. The suspicion goes to ALL athletes under the NOP umbrella. But why are you talking about suspicion when there is already evidence ie L-carnitine and Ritz?
Osako was not implicated in the L-carnitine scandal. Try again.
Japanese would sooner commit suicide than cheat. Death before dishonor, the samurai way!
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The Japanese Galen Rupp wrote:
Japanese would sooner commit suicide than cheat. Death before dishonor, the samurai way!
A lot of Japanese carmakers have been caught cheating emissions, just like the Germans and Americans.
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The Japanese Galen Rupp wrote:
SayWut?? wrote:
Yes. The suspicion goes to ALL athletes under the NOP umbrella. But why are you talking about suspicion when there is already evidence ie L-carnitine and Ritz?
Osako was not implicated in the L-carnitine scandal. Try again.
Japanese would sooner commit suicide than cheat. Death before dishonor, the samurai way!
I'm not trying anything. Obviously Osako was not implicated. However, he trained under a coach who was. That's the issue. Osako is one of my favorite runners but just like BTC, once something shady happens, everyone under that coach/team is subject to scrutiny.
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SayWut?? wrote:
The Japanese Galen Rupp wrote:
Osako was not implicated in the L-carnitine scandal. Try again.
Japanese would sooner commit suicide than cheat. Death before dishonor, the samurai way!
I'm not trying anything. Obviously Osako was not implicated. However, he trained under a coach who was. That's the issue. Osako is one of my favorite runners but just like BTC, once something shady happens, everyone under that coach/team is subject to scrutiny.
He trained under Pete Julian, not Salazar. Was Julian also implicated?
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
SayWut?? wrote:
I'm not trying anything. Obviously Osako was not implicated. However, he trained under a coach who was. That's the issue. Osako is one of my favorite runners but just like BTC, once something shady happens, everyone under that coach/team is subject to scrutiny.
He trained under Pete Julian, not Salazar. Was Julian also implicated?
They both raced under NOP. I don't care who held the stop watch while they did intervals.
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