No inside curb/rail during Gary Martin's sub-4 Mile - DOES IT COUNT?

why are u hating bro

it counts

even if he did, its a straight 100m

It should count. Why wouldn't it count?

appears there might be cones on the turns which suffice I think?

I just watched the footage posted above. There are most definitely no cones, and in my mind - and probably T&FN - it absolutely DOES NOT count. To me, he is a guy who has broken 5 minutes. Do it with bricks, cones, or an actual rail, and get drug tested afterward, or it is just an exhibition and nothing official. Rules exist. This guy ignores them. Of course, any of you may consider this a sub-4. In fact, all of you do!

Actually, you're right, not sure what I thought I saw in the far turn but no cones.

But see here

http://www.nhiaa.org/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Track%26Field%26CCPowerpoint(1).pdf

It's a prety convoluted rule, IMO. you need a rail if the track is laid out for a curb, but if not, apparently cones make people less likely to run too far inside...but if there's high jump going on at the time, you don't really need a curbing...and if you're emma coburn, you can dance inside the rail all you want and not get DQ'ed.

Was this track supposed to have a curb or not?

good question. our league has rules that for any kind of post season meet, if there is not a rail, cones must be present. at least every 5 to 10 meters

99% of HS tracks don't have a rail. Do we wipe out most of the top times from every state now? What if a guy runs 3:49?

USATF: "The nominal length of an outdoor track shall preferably be 400 meters. It shall consist of two straights and two turns. The inside of the track shall be bordered by a raised curb of suitable material approximately 5cm high and 5cm wide. ... If a section of the curb on the curve has to be removed temporarily for field event competitors, its place shall be marked with a white line 5cm wide and by plastic cones or flags (minimum height 20cm) placed on the white line so that the edge of the base of the cone or flag pole coincides with the edge of the white line closest to the track, and placed at intervals not exceeding 4m."

What a ridiculous technicality. If this doesn't count, then neither does that 3:54 on a cinder track or whatever you guys say that Ryun did back in the day. At least there's video evidence of Gary Martin's run. Give me a freaking break

Y’all are bugging on the no rail, no cones: no record. But about the dweeb idiot on the telephone while greatness was on the track in front of him. I hope his wife bitching at h about what to pick up from the grocery shop was worth it. He was only interested in sprint, prolly.

I bet you're real fun at parties.

And USATF has no control over the various state HS federations.

You all are trippin for no reason.

Alan

Jim Ryun's track had a rail.

Count for what? It wasn't a record run, just the fastest in a high school only race so I don't see why it wouldn't count as a 3:57.98.

I bet most people here don't even know that tracks built with and without a rail are measured and laid out differently. 400m in lane 1 is measured 30cm from the rail, but only 20cm from the line if there is no rail. Cones are not requires, but the rule says "if cones are used...."

My whole high school career, I don’t remember any track with a curb.

"To me, he is a guy who has broken 5 minutes."

If he hasn't run a legal mile, then why is he a sub-5 guy? Seems like an odd statement.