I have a lot of sympathy for Niyonsaba, whereas I have zero sympathy for trans women trying to compete in elite sport.
If you were born without male genitalia, it would be natural to assume you were female. In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
I have a lot of sympathy for Niyonsaba, whereas I have zero sympathy for trans women trying to compete in elite sport.
If you were born without male genitalia, it would be natural to assume you were female. In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
The topic of intersex women competing against XX women is an interesting one.
I consider myself very left liberal, yet I think their inclusion into the women’s category should be monitored/held to the same guidelines as XX women.
Brought this discussion up with conservative family members once and they disagreed. They felt that even though they XY chromosomes/internal testes, they should be allowed to compete unencumbered in the womens category. Was very surprised to learn this.
I guess just goes to show how nuanced this topic is.
I have a lot of sympathy for Niyonsaba, whereas I have zero sympathy for trans women trying to compete in elite sport.
If you were born without male genitalia, it would be natural to assume you were female. In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
THIS ^
The world is full of complications that didn't exist decades ago, because we just didn't know.
It's not that complicated. No female can beat Nyonsaba in a kick because the testosterone makes a huge difference. XX deserves their own category. Simple solution.
Not that simple, Big Tex. There are people who are chromosomally XX, but have the SRY gene and develop a full male phenotype, including external genitalia, testes, the whole 9. Could they sign up for your XX category?
I have a lot of sympathy for Niyonsaba, whereas I have zero sympathy for trans women trying to compete in elite sport.
If you were born without male genitalia, it would be natural to assume you were female. In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
100 years ago, women wer'nt even "permitted" to run in this distance of race so the likes of Niyonsaba et al would have had no-one to run against except men.
"Intersex" isn't really a scientific term. Factually, Niyonsaba is a XY male with poor or limited development of primary but not secondary sexual characteristics. Niyonsaba isn't part woman, part man but an XY male with developmental differences.
Ultimately, this situation arose because they lacked the data to extend the 400m-1500m prohibition on a common sense basis to the other events. Yet, Niyonsaba to this date has not run faster than 14:25 or 8:19, so it may be that we'll have a different world champion in the 5000m and 10000m among the several athletes with sub-14:10/29 flat ability. For the 100m/200m, Mboma is injured right now but showing every chance of running world record caliber in the latter, if not yet medal quality in the 100m.
Ultimately, this situation arose because they lacked the data to extend the 400m-1500m prohibition on a common sense basis to the other events. Yet, Niyonsaba to this date has not run faster than 14:25 or 8:19, so it may be that we'll have a different world champion in the 5000m and 10000m among the several athletes with sub-14:10/29 flat ability. For the 100m/200m, Mboma is injured right now but showing every chance of running world record caliber in the latter, if not yet medal quality in the 100m.
There is a women’s and men’s section for a reason. It’s damn common sense. No data required. Just like there is probably no data comparing thr head-to-head speed of a racehorse vs a frog. It’s dumb. There is no elite women’s sport if XY men are allowed to compete.
I have a lot of sympathy for Niyonsaba, whereas I have zero sympathy for trans women trying to compete in elite sport.
If you were born without male genitalia, it would be natural to assume you were female. In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
THIS ^
The world is full of complications that didn't exist decades ago, because we just didn't know.
Wrong. They were doing Barr body tests (cheek swabs) to check for male chromosomes in female athletes back in the 1960s.
Not that simple, Big Tex. There are people who are chromosomally XX, but have the SRY gene and develop a full male phenotype, including external genitalia, testes, the whole 9. Could they sign up for your XX category?
Straw man argument. Anyway, We’re not worried about the extremely rare 0.001% of Xx females who present as males at birth dominating female sports. Agreeable, they present as Males, they‘ll be in male sports and assume they’re male. So, not really a worry for female sports.
Even in 3rd world countries, these kids of disorders becomes very obvious around puberty. These Xx present with under formed tested and low testosterone.
the Niyonsabas and Semenyas are fully functioning males (just with no overt penis). At puberty they’ll know full well (no breasts, no periods) that they are not female. It’s embarrassing for them. However they KNOW full well that they have a huge advantage over natural females. To continue into adulthood and pretend that they don’t is absolutely disgraceful and immoral.
Factually, Niyonsaba is a XY male with poor or limited development of primary but not secondary sexual characteristics. Niyonsaba isn't part woman, part man but an XY male with developmental differences.
To be blunt (since too many people beat around the bush about this topic) Niyonsaba is a male who had a birth defect that caused the penis not to grow. Does male without a penis equal female? No.
I have a lot of sympathy for Niyonsaba, whereas I have zero sympathy for trans women trying to compete in elite sport.
If you were born without male genitalia, it would be natural to assume you were female. In reality, she is intersex, but 100 years ago, no one likely would know that as we wouldn't know her chromosones, her testoerone levels or her lack of a uterus.
Well even sans balls she would have given you all you could handle in your prime so maybe save that sympathy for someone who needs it.
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