Today was perfect conditions. How much time does that equal?
add that time to
New Coach and a better training system. How much time does that equal?
add those 2 numbers together and then add
Those clunky Hoka shoes are out and he could finally run in these huge improving super shoes. How much time does that equal?
Now add those THREE big numbers together. What did you come up with?
His total improvement was SEVENTEEN seconds. That’s right SEVENTEEN seconds better today than his previous run with clunky Hoka shoes and a lousy coach on a perfect day.
People over play the shoes. This year was the deepest field they've ever had at Boston, 20 guys with sub 2:10 PRs and several with 2:05 or better PRs, and they get a nice weather day and the winning time is 2:06:52. Only a minute faster than some dude 36 years ago Robert de Castella ran in 1986. If the shoes make you a minute faster, are you telling me that these African studs of today are slower equivalent than that guy?
If the shoes make you a minute faster, are you telling me that these African studs of today are slower equivalent than that guy?
Depends how the shoe story is embellished. I thought some were suggesting top pros were getting 1.5-3(?) minutes out of the ‘super-shoes’.
Ya I do not think it's in the 1.5-3 minute range. That's 4-8 seconds per mile, the new racing shoes are not making these elite runners go from running 4:59 pace (2:10:33 marathon) down to 4:51 pace (2:07:06 marathon) compared to the racing shoes of six years ago.
Depends how the shoe story is embellished. I thought some were suggesting top pros were getting 1.5-3(?) minutes out of the ‘super-shoes’.
Ya I do not think it's in the 1.5-3 minute range. That's 4-8 seconds per mile, the new racing shoes are not making these elite runners go from running 4:59 pace (2:10:33 marathon) down to 4:51 pace (2:07:06 marathon) compared to the racing shoes of six years ago.
Ya I do not think it's in the 1.5-3 minute range. That's 4-8 seconds per mile, the new racing shoes are not making these elite runners go from running 4:59 pace (2:10:33 marathon) down to 4:51 pace (2:07:06 marathon) compared to the racing shoes of six years ago.
7 secs/mile, not 8.
36 years ago, not six.
I was no longer talking about the 1986 result, I'm just talking in general. People running 2:10 type of performances aren't suddenly running 2:07. Fauble's 2:09:09 in old Hoka's from 2019 wouldn't be a 2:07 or 2:06 high (the winning time from this year). The shoes don't make nearly as big of a difference as people love to say they do. He ran basically the same time today as he did in 2019, with supposedly far better shoes. He placed about the same in both races too. I don't think he would have been the Boston marathon champion in 2019 if he was wearing vaporfly 4% instead of hoka shoes.
After a couple of years of weak results, Fauble ran a strong race. We have seen way too many US runners get close to 2:10 with a good result and then get mired in injuries and bad results. Fauble is running well and did not let a few disappointing races define him. Who cares who his coach is or what shoes he was wearing. Fauble ran fast and will hopefully continue to build off this result.
He's been pretty direct in saying that he left Hoka because he felt things had gotten stale, not because Rosario was a bad coach. The move seemed to be more about trying to return to his previous form, rather than expecting to suddenly get way better because his old coach had been holding him back.
During his interview I don't know great performance 2:08:52 is outstanding. I thought he was however pretentious and rude to the interviewer. Fauble seems like a prick. I could be wrong but just seems like a bit of a jerk.
Ya I do not think it's in the 1.5-3 minute range. That's 4-8 seconds per mile, the new racing shoes are not making these elite runners go from running 4:59 pace (2:10:33 marathon) down to 4:51 pace (2:07:06 marathon) compared to the racing shoes of six years ago.
Says the guy who has never worn them. I'd be a large sum of money you haven't.
Please tell me this. Have you ever worn them? There is zero chance they are not worth at least a minute.
What people forget about today is they were running into a slight headwind. in 1986, dark sky shows there was a massive wind out of the south of 14-16 mph. Boston finishes about 8-9 miles more north than it starts. So that's called wind aided. So the guys today are much better than 1 minute than in 1986. remember, they clearly weren't going all out as the winner went sub-14 between 35k and 40k.
Eliud Kipchoge - PR in 6 marathons before the shoes - 2:04:00. PR now - 2:01:39. Now that it's a little misleading as his insoles were flapping out but still. The guy raced a ton of marathons.
Sara Hall PR before the shoes? 2:26:20? (I'm guessing. I"m not sure). PR now 2:20:32.
Shoes are worth a lot. Read the studies or buy a pair.
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