Do you guys use the concept of CP (i.e., the asymptote of the hyperbolic relationship between power output and the time to exhaustion) in your training?
A brief historical sketch of the critical power concept, with a few things you might not know about its development. I also cover the basics of fitting data...
thanks for sharing this video. Working with female who recently ran 15:25 for 5k after only 6 weeks of proper training after layoff from injury and much of her training is threshold/cv pace. Hardest part of coaching athletes is slowing them down.
I use more of threshold pace. My female athlete ran 1:10;40 for half in hot Melbourne in December so 3:18-3:20 is her threshold pace. Her recent session was 4k at threshold (a little fast) 13:07 with 2k float in 3:46k pace avg. and 9:52 for last 3k. We are hoping for sub 32 min 10k on May 1st.. Tomorrow 2x8x400m w/30 seconds rest 72-74 seconds in the rain unfortunately.
I use more of threshold pace. My female athlete ran 1:10;40 for half in hot Melbourne in December so 3:18-3:20 is her threshold pace. Her recent session was 4k at threshold (a little fast) 13:07 with 2k float in 3:46k pace avg. and 9:52 for last 3k. We are hoping for sub 32 min 10k on May 1st.. Tomorrow 2x8x400m w/30 seconds rest 72-74 seconds in the rain unfortunately.
Threshold pace is the way to go in combination with VO2max 5 k pace and individual best easy distance pace.No need for CV pace or slightly faster.
However, threshold pace is for most people the pace which can be hold for around 60 minutes (see e.g. also for coahc). Brad Hudson author of book "Run faster" defines 3 'threshold paces': 2.5h, 1.5h and 60 minutes threshold pace. If you look at the concept of CP (around 30min threshold, but more behind), lower threshold paces (2.5h, 1.5h and 60min) than CP do not have that physiological meaning and are more arbitrarily.
Do you guys use the concept of CP (i.e., the asymptote of the hyperbolic relationship between power output and the time to exhaustion) in your training?
Or do you think its a useless concept?
It seems to me that the asymptote as time to exhaustion stretches beyond 10 hours, is going to be not much faster than a walk. Sure, walking is useful in training.
Yes I would agree. Before the 5k though she would hit 400's at 69-70 for power. This was on a 2 min cycle. World Half and World XC are next goals but months away. A steady approach of 130-150k per week is the goal.
However, threshold pace is for most people the pace which can be hold for around 60 minutes (see e.g. also for coahc). Brad Hudson author of book "Run faster" defines 3 'threshold paces': 2.5h, 1.5h and 60 minutes threshold pace. If you look at the concept of CP (around 30min threshold, but more behind), lower threshold paces (2.5h, 1.5h and 60min) than CP do not have that physiological meaning and are more arbitrarily.
It's also an argument, but a misleading one.CV or CP or whatever you call it is wasted trainingtime, no need for it.
Yes I would agree. Before the 5k though she would hit 400's at 69-70 for power. This was on a 2 min cycle. World Half and World XC are next goals but months away. A steady approach of 130-150k per week is the goal.
It gonna be allright with that kind of training for her. It's close to the same way I coach my elite runners and all other runners of different levels. They all improve without exception.Good luck with your runner!
Do you guys use the concept of CP (i.e., the asymptote of the hyperbolic relationship between power output and the time to exhaustion) in your training?