How does Shelby’s positive test shape your view of BTC?

It's D for me. To me she's an obvious cheat but perhaps more disturbing is how so many in her group rushed to her defense. The optics are not good and makes me believe this could be more than a bad apple.

I was prolly in column C because it's too hard to be a fan of the sport if it's all doom & gloom when it comes do doping.

BTC gave us a stark contrast to NOP. They pumped out good, fun, content & made you a fan of their team. Their response to the Shelby stuff was beyond off-putting. They played us for fools. The coaches claimed they were naive. Then we were hit with well-crafted legal talking points. It's all just PR & lacks any accountability. The genuine vibe of the group was lost on my end in how they presented their defense of Shelby.

I would like to get behind their athletes but that means media, including LRC, actually making them answer difficult questions. It can't just be a victory tour of Citius Mag when you run fast. Ask them why they read the Nike talking points. Ask them if they're clean. Ask them if Shelby doped on her own & why we should believe it stops there.

Then let's evaluate & see if any trust can be built back up.

This has been beaten to death here.

D

Zero respect for the whole squad now. Their results have no credibility.

Looking forward to other getting popped and just desserts served. And IT WILL happen.

I’m a C.

I’m of the opinion that Shelby was taking some other supplement that ended up being tainted with nandrolone, or nandrolone was a byproduct of it. I’m guessing it was a gray area supplement and they didn’t want to admit it. I personally had never heard of nandrolone before this incident (unlike Jerry), but it does seem to be common in the drug busts of African runners.

A.

”doping” means one thing to one person and something else to another. These bans are are bad for the sport.

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The only part that really bothered me was she was still on the website a few weeks back when I checked. I have zero respect for convicted dopers, I understand she's a personal friend and teammate, but it's bad for their image the way they continue to support her.

A or B.

This is all less suspicious than the NOP with Rupp’s “thyroid medication,” Mo Farah going from ok to world champion in his mid-twenties, and Salazar himself being dirty AF.

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E) I knew they were doping, so nothing changes.

B

Yes, the coaches pretending to be naive about doping...

See Flanagan's interview, after Jeptoo tested positive:
https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20840080/shalane-flanagan-sounds-off-about-doping/:

To add injury to insult, those comments were just after Jeptoo's positive test, before any verdict, let alone a final ban for intentional doping by CAS:

How times have changed for Flanagan...

Somewhere between B and C. I'm doubtful everyone on the team is dirty, but it's possible, and it's also very possible--like someone else said--that Shelby was taking a grey area supplement that was tainted with nandralone. People who believe everyone who runs fast is dirty is smooth brain and never ran fast so that's how they justify their stupidity. Full stop. Obviously some people do dope, but I've seen some people run some incredible times, and I know they were clean because I spent all day every day with them because they were my roommates.

BTC has an actual drug bust and Mo Ahmed just dropped 20 seconds off his PR at the age of 31, yet you claim NOP is more suspicious.

Ignorance is bliss, I guess.

Big fat D :D

If you look at her incredible progression from +15 min to 14:23 5000m PB, or Courtney Frerichs unbelievable progression, you know something’s definitely wrong.

Their group was and still is Dirty. They got bye just because all eyes were on Salazar.

I was and am kind of in the middle on C and D certainly leaning more towards D - the thing that pushes me towards this is all of the crazy defense talk and that she is still in some ways being propped up and supported by members of the team. I think there was probably some grey area stuff going on supplements are so unregulated out there, something was off and she got popped - she cant really come forward because it would F things up for others. If she does her 4 years and comes back then OK but dont want to hear anything - see times, or whatever until then. The fact that there is this crazy support even after the farcical excuses makes me thing there is something up for sure - so I then find it difficult to root for them in spite of the times they are putting up.

C for these reasons:

Wasn't skeptical before because:

- No issues prior to Shelby

- Have heard only positive things about Jerry's approach from the people I know who are involved in the sport

- A lot of respect for certain people in the group. As one example, I don't think Chris Derrick would put up with any suspicious activity

Have become more skeptical for a few reasons:

- Shelby testing positive

- Rumors that Marc Scott and Jager (I think it was Jager?) having high nandrolone levels that were just under the limit - but enough to be suspicious

- The book Win At All Costs mentioning Solinsky/Teg being on TUEs and such back in the day - coming from Kara Goucher

All that said - I don't think there is systematic doping driven by Jerry, and at worst it's individual athletes in the group making those choices without him knowing. Right or wrong, I think Jerry truly believes Shelby is innocent.

Ahmed ran 12:47 3? years ago and now has two medals WC/OG on the track. His old PR was in a 6th place finish at WC in 26:59, not a time trial setting. He’s been capable of 26:40 for a few years now.

Stupidity is bliss, I suppose.

DD