It was appalling watching Grant and Mo have to pass lapped runners on the turn by going outside them. Yeah, yeah I get it. You're a 28 low 10k guy and have never been lapped before. But for crying out loud, have some basic common courtesy and respectfully move out to lane two so the record-seekers can have lane one. This used to be accepted etiquette. At the very least the starter should remind competitors of this just before the gun.
Someone running hard in a race doesn't have the best situational awareness, and they definitely don't have eyes on the back of their heads. Unless you have people with loudspeakers spread out around the track, helping to point out that you are about to be lapped, you'll have to accept that some runners won't be aware they are being lapped.
If a lapped runner is aware enough to move out, great. But if they notice too late, and feel like they are obligated to move out, that creates a situation that they might accidently run into the passing runner, or make the passing runner dodge them. It's better to have a predictable runner in lane one, than a collision.
And how do you plan to enforce this? Personally I would prefer to just go around them than have to assess whether they know I'm coming and remember Kobbs Hessler's special rule requiring them to move to lane 2. You could repeat this rule 5 times on the starting line and people would still forget, assuming they even knew you were coming up behind them to begin with.
One way to get around the potential lack of awareness of a runner about to be lapped is to for the faster runner to call for the lane. In nordic ski racing, in interval start races, the passing skier will call for the track ("TRACK!" or "HUP!" or something like that), and the skier being passed has to give way immediately or be penalized or given a warning. It would need to be formalized into the rules for it to work well though, and maybe the passing runner doesn't want to waste their breath shouting out, "TRACK!"
Nope, it's a race and requiring runners getting lapped to know that someone is lapping them with enough time and space to move out without interfering is ridiculous and asking for even more trouble. It's part of racing and this "courtesy" or "etiquette" you speak of isn't part of any pre-race instructions or official rules. I doubt the racers doing the lapping have a problem with it, it's only the spectrum fanboys/fangirls who squawk about it. I honestly think those who complain about competitors not moving out of lane one are clueless and have never been in many race situations at that level. This isn't the MAC Championships 10,000.
A lot of cheerleaders for slow pokes. I guess LR is mostly hobby joggers these days. Note I'm not talking about a requirement, just proper etiquette. And yes, racers should have enough situational awareness to move into lane two well before the leaders are right on his heels.
Moving out to lane 2 will likely cause more collisions and near misses than just holding the line.
also how does the lapped runner know the person behind them is lapping them not just a fellow runner trying to pass?
This was discussed last year when Sisson was lapping everyone in the 10k at the trials. Officials told the runners beforehand to NOT move to lane two and everyone knew this and apparently appreciated it because tried runners trying to correctly time when someone was coming up behind them could result in poorly timed moves and collisions.
When I was watching the race, I was in the “lane two!” group but after hearing this after the race I agree with the reasoning and believe people shouldn’t move to lane two.
Moving out to lane 2 will likely cause more collisions and near misses than just holding the line.
also how does the lapped runner know the person behind them is lapping them not just a fellow runner trying to pass?
This was discussed last year when Sisson was lapping everyone in the 10k at the trials. Officials told the runners beforehand to NOT move to lane two and everyone knew this and apparently appreciated it because tried runners trying to correctly time when someone was coming up behind them could result in poorly timed moves and collisions.
When I was watching the race, I was in the “lane two!” group but after hearing this after the race I agree with the reasoning and believe people shouldn’t move to lane two.
The biggest favor you can do to someone passing you (lapping or otherwise) is to hold your line. Moving out risks interference, which could easily lead to a DQ.
It was appalling watching Grant and Mo have to pass lapped runners on the turn by going outside them. Yeah, yeah I get it. You're a 28 low 10k guy and have never been lapped before. But for crying out loud, have some basic common courtesy and respectfully move out to lane two so the record-seekers can have lane one. This used to be accepted etiquette. At the very least the starter should remind competitors of this just before the gun.
When was it accepted etiquette? Go back and watch the 1964 10K final where the leaders have to run around and weave through lapped runners. It's just part of racing.
It was appalling watching Grant and Mo have to pass lapped runners on the turn by going outside them. Yeah, yeah I get it. You're a 28 low 10k guy and have never been lapped before. But for crying out loud, have some basic common courtesy and respectfully move out to lane two so the record-seekers can have lane one. This used to be accepted etiquette. At the very least the starter should remind competitors of this just before the gun.
No, it wasn’t appalling and there is no need for any such courtesy or etiquette in a race race as opposed to a time trial or a namesake race like those in Valencia for WR attempts.
A lot of cheerleaders for slow pokes. I guess LR is mostly hobby joggers these days. Note I'm not talking about a requirement, just proper etiquette. And yes, racers should have enough situational awareness to move into lane two well before the leaders are right on his heels.
It's not about cheerleading for slowpokes, it's about what's best for the fast runners.
When I was lapping people, I preferred everyone to just stay in lane 1. The problems only start when there are a few lapped runners and some are moving out and others are not, or people move out too late when you're already going around.
If everyone stays in lane 1, there's no confusion. You don't lose any time just nipping around a runner.
In high school they ran the boys and girls together in the 3200 and I remember lapping lots of people in every races. There's nothing difficult about just running around them.
It was appalling watching Grant and Mo have to pass lapped runners on the turn by going outside them. Yeah, yeah I get it. You're a 28 low 10k guy and have never been lapped before. But for crying out loud, have some basic common courtesy and respectfully move out to lane two so the record-seekers can have lane one. This used to be accepted etiquette. At the very least the starter should remind competitors of this just before the gun.
Recall one race where a runner missed an Oly A standard because a lapped runner didn't move over.
A lot of cheerleaders for slow pokes. I guess LR is mostly hobby joggers these days. Note I'm not talking about a requirement, just proper etiquette. And yes, racers should have enough situational awareness to move into lane two well before the leaders are right on his heels.
If everyone stays in lane 1, there's no confusion. You don't lose any time just nipping around a runner.
If it was just two people, you would lose some time going around, but not much. But "not much" can be the difference you need.
If there is traffic, the time loss can amplify.
In the example I noted of an A standard being barely missed, he was led out by multiple pacers.
When their group came up on the lapped runner, they called out and expected him to move over. They caught up and had to check slightly when they realized the lapped runner was too clueless/selfish to budge, so they'd have to go around.
The first pacer swung out, buzzing him. Lapped runner got the hint and then began moving out. Which made it even worse as the following two (second pacer and A standard wannabee) were already swinging out. They had to check slightly again and swing out even wider, completely into lane 2.
It was appalling watching Grant and Mo have to pass lapped runners on the turn by going outside them. Yeah, yeah I get it. You're a 28 low 10k guy and have never been lapped before. But for crying out loud, have some basic common courtesy and respectfully move out to lane two so the record-seekers can have lane one. This used to be accepted etiquette. At the very least the starter should remind competitors of this just before the gun.
Did you even watch these races? Most (all?) of the lapped men went out to lane 2 and let them go inside.
The women, not so much. Too bad considering she missed the record by 1 second.
In hockey , if Connor McDavid is about to make a fool of you , you trip or hold him and take the penalty . If someone is about to pass you , block or tackle them . Dont be on a highlight reel on someone elses glory