LRC goes home devastated. The athletes do it for themselves not for your entertainment. Grant Fisher covered this on LRCs podcast, too. I think it would do you good BTC haters to listen to this clip:
No, they get paid even more to set records and win championships (which is what Elise has done). In order to do both of those things required uninterrupted training for months. You get a lot more from an AR than running some random meet in Tennessee.
No, they get paid even more to set records and win championships (which is what Elise has done). In order to do both of those things required uninterrupted training for months. You get a lot more from an AR than running some random meet in Tennessee.
Except that there are tons of athletes who race a lot and still perform well on the big stage.
Jakob, Cheruiyot, Hassan, Kipyegon, Muir, Gidey, Obiri, Cheptegai, Kiplimo, etc.
If you believe everyone is doping than why even watch track at all? I HIGHLY recommend hearing Grant Fisher's response to you on this week LRC podcast or the Elise one.
If you believe everyone is doping than why even watch track at all? I HIGHLY recommend hearing Grant Fisher's response to you on this week LRC podcast or the Elise one.
We don’t believe everyone is doping. We believe the people on the team setting records and defending their drug cheat teammate are doping.
Professional runners are just the ultimate expression of the gig economy. They are independent contractors living contract-to-contract and hoping to perform well enough to stay employed/attract another employer. Some may maintain a good social media presence and market themselves as fan friendly, but the vast majority do not give a flying FVCK about the fans, LRC posters, or hobby joggers. You may be entertained by their exploits but they are certainly not living to entertain you.
If you believe everyone is doping than why even watch track at all? I HIGHLY recommend hearing Grant Fisher's response to you on this week LRC podcast or the Elise one.
We don’t believe everyone is doping. We believe the people on the team setting records and defending their drug cheat teammate are doping.
If you believe everyone is doping than why even watch track at all? I HIGHLY recommend hearing Grant Fisher's response to you on this week LRC podcast or the Elise one.
If you enjoy watching a sport why would you not do so even if you think some of the top athletes are doping? I expect most sports that we watch are filled with doped athletes and I hate that. But it is entertaining to see who wins anyway.
If you believe everyone is doping than why even watch track at all? I HIGHLY recommend hearing Grant Fisher's response to you on this week LRC podcast or the Elise one.
We don’t believe everyone is doping. We believe the people on the team setting records and defending their drug cheat teammate are doping.
Those things - records and championships - are part of entertaining. They are in the business of 'sports entertainment'. Seriously, if you look up the NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. on any business database, the industry in which they compete is 'Sports Entertainment'. If they weren't being paid to entertain, there'd be no reason for them to do any of it in front of anyone and/or publish the results. Cranny could just run a 10,000 on a random high school track and time it on her own stopwatch and no one needs to know about it if she's only doing it for herself. There's a difference between her and someone like me (and most LRC visitors) - I, in fact, do it for myself... I sometimes run my own time trials, just for the satisfaction, and I don't feel any need to tell anyone or publish any results and it's not broadcast. No one would be interested because I'm a hobby jogger running hobby jogger times. Cranny could do the same thing (albeit at a much higher level). But she chooses to sell her talent to Nike for a paycheck and in exchange she agrees to entertain.
The entertaining part is watching the run. BTC have perfected this . This is real. The BS is why 1500 loser Elle P , was given a seat at the worlds 1500
Professional runners are just the ultimate expression of the gig economy. They are independent contractors living contract-to-contract and hoping to perform well enough to stay employed/attract another employer. Some may maintain a good social media presence and market themselves as fan friendly, but the vast majority do not give a flying FVCK about the fans, LRC posters, or hobby joggers. You may be entertained by their exploits but they are certainly not living to entertain you.
Which would help explain why they’re so poorly paid compared to their peers in other sports.
Those things - records and championships - are part of entertaining. They are in the business of 'sports entertainment'. Seriously, if you look up the NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. on any business database, the industry in which they compete is 'Sports Entertainment'. If they weren't being paid to entertain, there'd be no reason for them to do any of it in front of anyone and/or publish the results. Cranny could just run a 10,000 on a random high school track and time it on her own stopwatch and no one needs to know about it if she's only doing it for herself. There's a difference between her and someone like me (and most LRC visitors) - I, in fact, do it for myself... I sometimes run my own time trials, just for the satisfaction, and I don't feel any need to tell anyone or publish any results and it's not broadcast. No one would be interested because I'm a hobby jogger running hobby jogger times. Cranny could do the same thing (albeit at a much higher level). But she chooses to sell her talent to Nike for a paycheck and in exchange she agrees to entertain.
Those things - records and championships - are part of entertaining. They are in the business of 'sports entertainment'. Seriously, if you look up the NBA, MLB, NFL, etc. on any business database, the industry in which they compete is 'Sports Entertainment'. If they weren't being paid to entertain, there'd be no reason for them to do any of it in front of anyone and/or publish the results. Cranny could just run a 10,000 on a random high school track and time it on her own stopwatch and no one needs to know about it if she's only doing it for herself. There's a difference between her and someone like me (and most LRC visitors) - I, in fact, do it for myself... I sometimes run my own time trials, just for the satisfaction, and I don't feel any need to tell anyone or publish any results and it's not broadcast. No one would be interested because I'm a hobby jogger running hobby jogger times. Cranny could do the same thing (albeit at a much higher level). But she chooses to sell her talent to Nike for a paycheck and in exchange she agrees to entertain.
This is absolutely true. The poster said it about as well as could be said. They most certainly DO care what we think. They wouldn't publicize it at all, or even tell anyone, if they truly were doing it purely for their own satisfaction. They consider themselves record holders (when an AR is broken): this is exactly to compare themselves to everyone else. They would prefer USATF, T&FN, and all of us to also consider them to be record holders, too.
The old "I'm doing this for myself and don't care what anyone thinks." does not apply in the least to Cranny nor Fisher. If it did, we wouldn't even recognize their names! This is OK. Players of popular ball sports are the same. In fact, it is good: we get to see great performances. I have no beef with putting yourself in the public eye an letting the world know what you're doing. The only thing 'wrong' in my opinion is the hypocrisy.
I find it entertaining that athletes around the world allow us to witness performances in various disciplines. I find it distasteful when any of them (the ones we're aware of and have access to) claim it's all for themselves and not us. No, it IS in fact for wins, records, medals, and the recognition and fortune that comes from such. Alex Honnold wants us to know he climbed El Capitan without a rope. Other wise, we wouldn't know - and doing so wouldn't have put a dollar in his pocket. Pro athletes are hungry for recognition, fame, and fortune. Anyone who's not isn't a pro athlete, they're just like rock climbers without a camera, doing it purely for the joy.
Elise: you want us to think you're great.. Admit it!
If Cranny and Fisher didn’t get widespread attention for their performances then Nike would not offer a contract. Nike pays them to help make the swoosh widely visible. They could always do infomercials for Nike product while keeping their running completely off the radar if they had the courage of their convictions.
Some of you guys need to listen to the Elise podcast before commenting. Commenting without any context and just assuming what she said leads to bad arguments.
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