Kibet, who is the older brother of former Oregon runner Shadrack Kiptoo Biwott - says he was defrauded of his property when he entered in a "property exchange agreement" to get treatment for a calf injury.
ad 1 According to a 2009 World Athletics article the Rosa's were his agent. As that agency has been in the news for varying circumstances you or Jon probably have their number on speed dial ;-) I am always wondering why the h*** they are still in business as they seem to attract problems.
Nonetheless, an import question should be, was he still with them or was he dropped and trying to make some sort of comeback. Agents are mostly involved in the running side of things (contracts with races and sponsors/ marketing) not with real estate. The article says that Kibet had a lawyer involved.
ad 2. with that... he had a lawyer, the acclaimed fraud happened in 2012... 10 years on seems to be enough time to seek legal action.
http://universalsports.com/ 2009, Rotterdam, Netherlands, Marathon, Duncan Kibet of Kenya sets a new track record at two hours and four minutes and 26 second...
Yea back when that happened, it was bandied about as one of the great marathons, first time two below 205 in a race, and they were second and third all-time to Geb's recent 2:03:59. And neither one really managed to do much after that. James Kwambai probably had slightly better results but I don't think any big wins.
Really sad to hear. I remember this thread by Renato Canova about Kibet's training back in 2009 got me interested in the training side of the sport. Hope he can get the help he needs.
After the historical Sunday that changed the Marathon in the World, I like to speak about the young Italian coach of both the athletes at 2:04:27 (Duncan Kibet and James Kwambai). Claudio Berardelli is a very young (27 years)...
Thanks for posting this clip. This was a video I sent to non-runners, to show them how exciting road racing can be!
As well as the amazing times (the fastest top-two in history at the time), it was an interesting match-up in styles: if you look at 1:00-1:10 in the video, you can see how the taller Kibet has very little heel lift in his backswing, while Kwabai has more classic butt-kicking backside mechanics. The long raking stride reminded me of Tergat and encouraged me as a fellow daisy-clipper.
He is also a really interesting character in interviews!
Really sad story. Wondering if there would be anyway for him to get into the U.S.? Maybe train with one of the pro groups here? Obviously his overall well-being is far for important. I can't image Kenya has many resources for mental health.
Really sad to hear. I remember this thread by Renato Canova about Kibet's training back in 2009
it would be super interesting to hear from one of these coaches who works extensively to coach and develop talent in this part of the world, only to abandon those who are past their prime like livestock. I think there should be an ongoing commitment to the athletes they coach. It's just the nature of the dynamic between a wealthy european coach and a peasant in Africa. But that would make it less profitable, to be burdened with caring about these people beyond their prime.
I read the article--what in the world is a "property exchange agreement?" It sounds like he received a lot of money for selling his property, and then somehow he was going to get that property back afterwards?
Sounds like a big scam, and that he must have been a willing accomplice. Who would reasonably expect to be given a lot of money, while giving up absolutely nothing in return?
Really sad story. Wondering if there would be anyway for him to get into the U.S.? Maybe train with one of the pro groups here? Obviously his overall well-being is far for important. I can't image Kenya has many resources for mental health.
Brojos maybe a GoFundMe is needed?
A Gofundme page for Kibet will get some funds from me
See that’s the thing, he’s waisting his time “playing video games” and not fully there - he was ripped off too easily and defrauded by the system. He needed a better support structure surrounding him!
Really sad to hear. I remember this thread by Renato Canova about Kibet's training back in 2009
it would be super interesting to hear from one of these coaches who works extensively to coach and develop talent in this part of the world, only to abandon those who are past their prime like livestock. I think there should be an ongoing commitment to the athletes they coach. It's just the nature of the dynamic between a wealthy european coach and a peasant in Africa. But that would make it less profitable, to be burdened with caring about these people beyond their prime.
This may sound more callous than is intended, and it's not in reference to this specific case, but any coach/manager who tries to do this long term will surely eventually hit a capacity issue given that there is an evitable churn rate and the priority is surely the athletes with whom one has a current arrangement. There's a grey area where if the coach/manager doesn;t have the formal role of 'financial adviser' to an athlete they maybe actually at risk if they try to take this on. If an athlete is numerate and has some sort of education then they should be able to make some sort of judgements on managing their finances and if they don't have confidence to do so they can access a professional who may or may not do a better job than they can do themselves. There are bad investments and there is, differently, fraud.
Kibet, who is the older brother of former Oregon runner Shadrack Kiptoo Biwott - says he was defrauded of his property when he entered in a "property exchange agreement" to get treatment for a calf injury.
1) Can someone tell me where the hell the agents are? For the amount agents get paid, they should be giving these guys financial advice.
2) Is there any chance he gets justice in the Kenyan courts?
Agents are not financial advisors, unless their contract specifically addresses that. Sad story, very common in boxing were "managers" exploit their victims...oops!!! sorry, I meant clients.
it would be super interesting to hear from one of these coaches who works extensively to coach and develop talent in this part of the world, only to abandon those who are past their prime like livestock. I think there should be an ongoing commitment to the athletes they coach. It's just the nature of the dynamic between a wealthy european coach and a peasant in Africa. But that would make it less profitable, to be burdened with caring about these people beyond their prime.
Great idea.
It is disgusting how these pig agents through away athletes who aren't making them money.
It is typical for Kenyan athletes to train all year, with their agent being their only way to get into European road races (and a flight ticket), and if they finish out of the money many don't get a penny. In the agent's mind there is only a lost investment, not a human being. (Until they run like Kibet and can get an appearance fee for a few races.)
For every Kipchoge, there are 10 guys begging their agent to cover a meal in an airport, or a hotel room the night *after* a race (not just before).
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