Will Cranny break the AR at the 10???

With good weather, under.

One year when I was in college I ran 14:32 and a few weeks later ran 29:52 or so. I blew up a little in the 5k but probably wasn't capable of better than 14:20's in a more evenly paced race. The 10k was pretty evenly paced. Cranny is a professional female runner, her 14:33 is more off endurance and less on top speed. She should translate to the 10k pretty well. I wouldn't be surprised with something around 30:10 from her in the 10k. Slowing down 10 seconds per mile is a reasonable amount of speed for top end guy athletes to double their distance. You see this in 1500-3k times, 3k-5k, 5k-10k, 10k - half marathon.

Example Galen Rupp: mile = 3:50, 3k = 7:30 (4:00 per 1600), 5k = 12:58 (4:09 per 1600), 10k = 26:44 (4:17 per 1600), half marathon = 59:47 (4:32 per 1600), marathon = 2:06:07 (4:46 per 1600). Takes him about 8-14 seconds per mile of slowing down to roughly double his distance. If Cranny slows down 12 seconds per mile it puts her right at the record.

I think she might be in the shape to do it, but not sure she will do it at this meet. Record pace is 72.xx, world standard is 75. The meet would have to put out two different sets of pacers cause running 72s would destroy that field and ruin the race while 75s would make it very difficult for Cranny to get the record.

Even aiming for a negative split, 75s through 5k is 15:38. That would require a 14:34 last 5000 to break Huddle's record. Her 5000 PR IS 14:33. Negative splits are the way to go, but I think that's too big an ask.

Ideally for Cranny, if she's in shape enough, rope in Stafford to try take you to 5k or as far as can/is willing. Aim for 15:10-15:15 and that requires a 14:55-14:58 which seems much more doable. Let the rest of the field have separate pacers.

There is no way Cranny is going to run that race just to put up a decent time. There's no point in doing that.

Having 2 separate pacers in the race is very doable. The field will quickly split into 2 parts - an American record attempt part and a second part trying to hit a qualifying time.

I agree that it would make no sense to do this for her as anything other than an NR/AR attempt.

Having 2 pacers is super doable. Issue with this is that the list of women capable of this pace is short - people who can front run Olympic/World standard. If you're that good why wouldn't you just do the race yourself? Teammates Seccafien, Frerichs, and Fraser are all in the race, unknown if Schweizer is fit enough to do that job. If Stafford is helping then all bets are off, I don't know why she would do that though as flying down to California to pace a 10k is hardly ideal prep for world indoors.

I met her at Stoney Creek last October where she ran the 10k leg, she's awesome!!!!! Super friendly nice young lady!!!!

Courtney Frerichs has never run a full 10k, and I don't think she is going to start now. Which means that she will be one of the pacers.

Frerichs just ran a 14:48 indoor 5k, so she is certainly capable of pacing Cranny through the 5k in around 15:05 or so.

Was going to say Bowerman having someone entered who is a 1500/steeple runner is their standard move.

Sidenote: don’t dislike but HATE how Jerry is managing this season. Yes maybe he’s maximizing his athletes’ chances on the margins maybe, but not racing fit athletes at USAs, World Indoor Tour gold meets so he can instead to put them in non-publicized time trials is just lame.

She's capable for sure, but she's advertized on her instagram that she's excited and scared to be making her 10k debut. Doesn't sound like someone who is just gonna pace.

Agreed. Also doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Most of his athletes running already have 10k standard. A hard all out 10,000 will take more out of the legs than racing a shorter indoor race. It's pure time chasing.

I've historically enjoyed BTC, but between the coaches ducking all interviews and the hiding from races (more so than last year), they're making liking them hard work. After NB indoors Stafford said Schumacher didn't want her to race that 3000m. She won easily, and then won again at BU. Why wouldn't you race her if she's capable of running two national records in six days? I get making sure people peak but really what's the point of being fit if you can't race people when you're fit.

I think you forgot that the only options for pacers aren't 72s or 75s. They could do 73.5-74s and that would make negative splitting for the record easier, and a lot more of the field could try to hang on to that.

Jerry for years was criticized for running his athletes only in championships and not doing time trials for pr's and records. Now he's being criticized for skipping (less important) championships in favor of time trials and records. Which is the wrong thing? I'm glad that he at least is now having them run records. After all, he was remiss in not getting his athletes qualifying times on occasion in the past and since that team 5000m at the shoe HQ where Kincaid ran 12:58, we have gotten treated to record attempts.

There’s a middle ground where you try for records at meets involving competition and race at championships.

And, same for the men.

Since Grant, Mo & Woody all have the WC Q, they will be aiming for PR times that will put them well under 27:00. Likely the pacing for these three will get them through 5k in 13:30, keep that pace thru 8k, then rev up the last 5 laps to target 26:40 for both American and Canadian records.

10k time trials = snoozefest

take the men through 5k in 15:30 and women in 17:00 and let them race.... that I would pay to watch

When and where is this? Is it streaming somewhere?

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There will be a live PPV stream here for the meet. Will also be a decent men's 1500 - Hoare, Beamish, Prakel, Ciattei, Grijalva.

Except that one Rupp attempt on the AR where the rookie ruined everything :)