Bowerman Track Club has 5 Sub 13:00, 9 Sub 13:10 Runners right now

2 THE GILLS!!!

They'll get busted eventually and then the American doping apologists will be out in full force again.

Jerry is an amazing 5-10K coach. Put him up there with any coach in the world at it.

Yes he's a great coach or at least has athletes that are running fast. Look at the names. They are talented to begin with.

Sorry, not buying the "everyone is doping" theory.  Met Cranny, Fisher, and even Jerry at the team Ekiden race in October.  I do not believe for one minute that they are doping.  Call me names like naive or ignorant, I truly believe they are clean and just extremely hard workers with boat loads of talents and a great coach.  Anytime records are broken, it's doping...not buying it.

1. I’m buying it like a food truck burrito

2. it’s not really a bad thing. It’s progress. remember amateur ? These guys couldn’t make any money while other sports got paid.... no difference here, for years others sports used ped s while track wasn’t able too. now they look the other way, a few people will get busted here and there if they mess up their doses, but everyone else will thrive

Agreed. Dont know why people even follow the sport or come to the boards if they think everyone is doping. I have no doubt some poeple are on PEDs, but id bet the majority are not.

🎶Heyyy there, Burrito Boy / Doped to the gills so fancy-free🎶

Nobody really thought Shelby was a doper but here we are.

Well you are very naive then. Cranny definitely is.

Because I don’t think everybody is. Just Bowerman Track Club and some other Nike sponsored athletes. There are good guys and bad guys in this sport, and it’s hard to know who is who. However, I hear things and have my suspicions and I know who I root for and who I root against. Someday the good guys are going to win.

Its called sizeable doses of EPO plus nandrolone,and vaporfly shoes.Possibly an oral steroid as well.Theyre all on it.

Modern distance running comes down to who can get away with doping. End of story. No drugs, no chance. Burrito notwithstanding.....

Their coach has attempted to undermind the entire antidoping process and blindly defends someone who got caught with large amounts of an ANABOLIC STEROID in her system. 

I am skeptical of anyone who stays in BTC. If one of my training partners tested positive and my coach defended them, I would leave. 

But could they beat Newbury Park?

BTC results should be questioned just as much as NOP results were. That’s how it works when a teammate gets popped.

I don't buy everyone is on drugs. It wouldn't make sense that so many people are willing to cheat. Basically what you're saying is every top runner is immoral. Don't buy it. A few bad apples? Sure. But probably not the number of people that are running fast. Also, that would assume dozens of college kids are doing it too. It's combination of training, shoes, tracks, nutrition, etc. if solinsky can run under 27:00 no reason we can't have others doing the same. Ritz was amazing but the kid couldn't run faster than a 52 second 400. These are a new breed of athlete.

He has a talented roster, but you have to understand he is taking 21 or 22-year-olds who ran 13:20-13:30 on the mens side or 4:08 on the womens side and turning them into 12:47-12:57 guys, and 14:20-14:40 women. That is major improvement. I’d critique him on the rigidity of his system that clearly translate worse for more speed-based runners and causes some endless injury cycles for others. But when it comes to the Cranny/Fisher/Ahmed/Schwezer/Frerichs/Kincaid/Scott progression, it is outstanding coaching.

Agreed. I remember many here trashing Fisher after the Olympics. Must have been Jealousy or something! I do not understand it. Let somebody have some success without trashing.

Thank You.