In the last year, I've heard of Molly Sediel, Bryce Hoppel and now this Japanese guy all hurting their ribs. What gives?
Is it low bone density, rough sex, coincidence or some combination?
http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2022/02/kamino-suffers-fractured-rib.html
I don't have an answer for you... but I also broke my ribs in the last year, while running! Slipped on a manhole cover in the rain. Unbearable pain while running and breathing deeply for a few days, got an X-Ray, and confirmed 2 broken ribs.
Avoid chiropractors at all costs.
I don't have an answer for you either, but I had 3 displaced ribs a couple months, likely stemming from using poor form to pick up my 1 year old.
confused physical therapist wrote:
In the last year, I've heard of Molly Sediel, Bryce Hoppel and now this Japanese guy all hurting their ribs. What gives?
Is it low bone density, rough sex, coincidence or some combination?
http://japanrunningnews.blogspot.com/2022/02/kamino-suffers-fractured-rib.html
I'm just some hobby jogger who likes lots of sports. I'm speculating here with no empirical data:
I think the low body weight of runners, especially the lack of upper body muscle, contributes to the injuries runners suffer when they fall. If I remember correctly Filip Ingebrigtsen cracked a rib falling in some european meet where the fall looked "normal."
My hypothesis is that runners sacrifice upper body muscle strength and tone in order to have a lower body weight. This helps them become more efficient runners and makes running faster distance times easier. That sacrifice carries risks with it, which is an increased likelihood of upper body injuries. Runners may also be less "talented" at learning how to fall in ways that minimizes injury.
You see soccer players, rugby players, all sorts of other contact sports get hit with hard challenges/tackles, fall, and get up just fine. Put a runner in those challenges and they're breaking half their bones.
Soccer is usually played on grass -- much more foregiving than road or track.
technotronic trainer wrote:
Soccer is usually played on grass -- much more foregiving than road or track.
You're right, but I don't think this defeats my hypothesis at all. Put Bryce Hoppel on a pitch with a ball and have Granit Xhaka tackle him.... Have Molly Seidel go up against a Sam Kerr hip check when they're running side by side... see what happens on the softer surface.
Conversely, put someone who is significantly less fast, but very talented at falling (some skateboarder or snowboarder, or even a soccer player) and see what happens if they get tripped up in a race on a track or road. I'd bet the athlete used to falling (with more upper body weight) will have less injuries. I'd put money that the difference is statistically significant.
Haha yes I think you are correct about runners. Although I have skateboarded for decades, and still fall like a sack of potatoes sometimes. )
low bone density
I think his (or her) point is... why now? Runners have always been runners build, and training has hardly changed. In 50 yrs of running I never knew any runner that broke their ribs running until recently.
It wouldn't be too hard to imagine that there was a doping protocol that displaced calcium/phosphorous or interfered with absorption as a potential answer. It's pure speculation. It's also something I've never hear of until recently as well.
From here:
https://www.healthline.com/health/hypophosphatemia#causes
Low phosphate levels may also be due to long term or excess use of certain drugs, such as:
diuretics
antacids that bind to phosphate
theophylline, bronchodilators, and other asthma medicines
corticosteroids
mannitol (Osmitrol)
hormones such as insulin, glucagon, and androgens
nutrients such as glucose, fructose, glycerol, lactate, and amino acids
bisphosphonates
acyclovir (Zovirax)
acetaminophen (Tylenol)
llort_vbo wrote:
From here:
https://www.healthline.com/health/hypophosphatemia#causesLow phosphate levels may also be due to long term or excess use of certain drugs, such as:
diuretics
antacids that bind to phosphate
theophylline, bronchodilators, and other asthma medicines
corticosteroids
mannitol (Osmitrol)
hormones such as insulin, glucagon, and androgens
nutrients such as glucose, fructose, glycerol, lactate, and amino acids
bisphosphonates
acyclovir (Zovirax)
acetaminophen (Tylenol)
this 100%
its a sign of doping(srs)
they f*ckin and enjoying themselves y’all let’s relax
free shipping with purchases wrote:
Avoid chiropractors at all costs.
Someone should have told Molly this before NYC. I know this is a joke the world makes about Americans all the time, but she should have sued him.
Three examples of rib injuries among tens of thousands of pro athletes.
Classic availability bias.
We'd need to know the base rate of rib injuries before assuming something is wrong and warrants investigation.
Molly has won an Olympic medal. The q anon anti-vaxxer boys of Letsrun have not
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Distance runner's what is hurting their ribs?
they're all in fight club
Kipchoges Grandma wrote:
I think the low body weight of runners, especially the lack of upper body muscle, contributes to the injuries runners suffer when they fall. If I remember correctly Filip Ingebrigtsen cracked a rib falling in some european meet where the fall looked "normal."
I gotta admit... I have a stereotypical runner's build (i.e. you can see my ribs, and there's not a lot of chest muscle protecting them). I cracked a rib a couple of years ago playing pickup basketball. A defender whacked me in the ribs with his elbow while trying to box me out. It was a very hard hit, but it really shouldn't have broken a rib. I attribute it to a lack of padding.